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Maybe America is that Dumb. How do you Lose a Debate When..the other guy refuses to explain how he will do whatever he says he will do?

whats there to debate about?

for instance.

lets say I'm obeezy. and me and mitt both have different of opinions in how to lets say get across the ocean to china. lets say the only way to do this is to Fly in a plane or take a boat. lets assume we already know there is no underwater tunnel that can do it. the are no jetpacks that can do it. just planes and boats

So when the moderator asks us How would you get across the ocean to china?

Obeezy" Well.. i would first pack my stuff for a long trip, buy a ticket, head down to the airport and get on a plane."

moderator: and you mr Romney

Mitt:" Well. I would also like mr president pack stuff and get ready for a long trip. but where we differ, is that i dont think obama's idea of buying a plane ticket has worked for the american people. it hasnt worked. "

moderator: so mr Romney how are YOU going to get across to china?
mitt: " WEll like i said, me and obeezy dont agree on that. i think you get there another way. and that way will suit the american people better then mr obama's way that has failed the last 4 years."

Obama: so let me get this straight mr romney, you wont tell us how you WILL get across the water to china. and i'm telling you there is no other way to get there since you have to take a plane. Therefore, how can you say you wont do it my way(taking a plane) when taking a plane is the only way you can do it. unless you're going to take a boat which will take even longer then the plane. So citizens. here's a sharp contrast between me and my opponent. If you want to take forever to get across the water or may not make it at all, because your boat and mitts boat will be different. his boat will be a luxury liner along with other corporate big wigs. and yours may be okay or may not be.

Mitt: obeezy just because you keep saying it, doesnt make it so.

Obama: well Mitt if your plan is so great. why are you hiding it? HOw will you get across the water to CHINA. We're waiting (ques jeopardy music).



thats the debate in a nutshell . MItt never answers that question thoroughly. he finally caved in and gave his answer when he said he wont go into office knowing what he will do he wants to first sit down with everyone then take it from there. See there's nothing wrong with that approach on its face. the problem is, what LEADER do you know approaches a problem with out an idea of his own solution beyond "i know one thing we wont do it that way. but i'm not sure how we will do it. i dont have a clue right now. but it wont be that way." thats not a leader. thats a person like me and you just talking on the porch/stoop somewhere. leaders have to come in with an idea of what they would LIKE to implement. then work within the framework to paint that picture the best they can with what they are working with.

So basically if you vote for mitt. you have no IDEA what he will do beyond "not do what obeezy has done already."

so again. Where's the debate?
i cant debate you if you never give me your policies and how you will get to those policies. the truth is, if you give me that info. you know and i know i will poke so many holes in it, it will look like swiss cheese. this is why you REFUSE to answer those simple questions. YOU yourself know the plan you are hinting at just to get voted in wont work at all. therefore you have something else up your sleeve. something that you cant show the american people. something that will make them NOT vote for you. again how can i debate when the other guy is lying and not giving us his policies? there's nothing to discuss. thats why OBeezy was looking like that.

i cant talk to a child going "naa naa...naa naa..naaaaa" with his hands over his ears.

folks i just want you to realize this is unprecedented . for a presidential candidate to have differing policy ideas then the guy already in office. but yet never explain how he THINKS he will implement his differing policies. even young Bush explained what he was going to do and how he would get around to doing it. even if you didnt like it. he explained it.
 

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because the other guy was more aggressive and the opponent was not as aggressive in response to his opponents aggressiveness. People in this nation just like to see people get destroyed and crushed, not actually make sense.

aggressive? LOL

dude you aint sayin nothing.

there's an old james brown saying that goes "talking loud but aint sayin nothing"

How anyone is DUPED and fooled into voting for someone based on how much fake aggression he showed without showing his actual hand to YOU the citizen that will vote for him. is REEEEDICULOUS.

again HOW DUMB IS AMERICA if all it takes is a loud enough voice and a tough stare?

so you're saying as long as i stare hard, smile a bit. and talk loud, throw a couple of jokes out there. but never admit to any policy points i can be prez?

makes no sense people.

i need someone to EXPLAIN this to me. what debate besides a wack rap battle will you lose when you're not saying anything of substance but you're talking loud?

you cant win that kind of debate in a university on a debate team. you have to SAY something. you have to explain your position? you cant just say, His position is falls. when the debates are clearly based on not is his ideas wrong. but Why his ideas are wrong, and why your ideas are right and how will you get to your ideas?
 

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Obama has to come out in the next debate and fact check Mitt in his opening statement. I mean he has all he lies on the table go in :laugh:
 

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Obama has to come out in the next debate and fact check Mitt in his opening statement. I mean he has all he lies on the table go in :laugh:

go in? he DID go in.

he asked him to come clean more or less. explain HOW he will get from point A to point B without doing the exact same thing obama is trying to do.

MITT said "i wont do what you're doing.. naa naaa naaaa naaaa." and said nothing else after that.

then obama said wow you're policies must be something special for you to hide it from all of us.

MItt had no response to that.


So again. how can you debate someone that isnt debating you? YOU CANT.

i mean they could've put any ole repub talking point person up there and done the same thing. and obeezy wouldve still be up there looking like "uhh Ooookay." because there's nothing to debate.

we can go back n forth when you explain your position. then i'll explain mine and then explain why i believe yours wont work. the two things mitt did explain, obama debated him on those issues. but every thing else. MItt never explained and therefore no actual debate could take place.

again if anyone is fooled into believing last night was even a debate after mitt's approach then america is DUMB.

it was not a debate. it was SUPPOSED to be one. but it wasnt one .and thats a shame that some americans would allow a possible prez to not explain himself. i mean its so bad, i wouldnt even be upset if he just made up something off the cuff. atleast then we can have a legit debate.
 

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aggressive? LOL

dude you aint sayin nothing.

there's an old james brown saying that goes "talking loud but aint sayin nothing"

How anyone is DUPED and fooled into voting for someone based on how much fake aggression he showed without showing his actual hand to YOU the citizen that will vote for him. is REEEEDICULOUS.

again HOW DUMB IS AMERICA if all it takes is a loud enough voice and a tough stare?

so you're saying as long as i stare hard, smile a bit. and talk loud, throw a couple of jokes out there. but never admit to any policy points i can be prez?

makes no sense people.

i need someone to EXPLAIN this to me. what debate besides a wack rap battle will you lose when you're not saying anything of substance but you're talking loud?

you cant win that kind of debate in a university on a debate team. you have to SAY something. you have to explain your position? you cant just say, His position is falls. when the debates are clearly based on not is his ideas wrong. but Why his ideas are wrong, and why your ideas are right and how will you get to your ideas?

Thats how America is. At the root many people just dont like Obama so they will make Romneys efforts appear to be more then they are, even if they are actually mediocre.
 

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Or what's more dumb is that immediately after, the media and people across the US were discussing style points and how "aggressive" each candidate was; rather than discussing that nothing of true substance was even brought up by either candidate. How you going to have an hour plus debate on the economy and not discuss anything of real relevance like the Fed, or QE3?

Or rather how dumb is it that America is so polarized that we pick our leaders like dudes pick colors to wear in the streets? shyt is so polarized it's disgusting.
 

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you cant win that kind of debate in a university on a debate team.


You're right but this isn't in a university and it isn't a real debate. You saw the "debate" and you know Obama won because you know your shyt. But all people aren't scholars like you. The majority of people watching aren't knowledgeable enough about politics to form opinions based on arguments, so they have to look at superficial things such as confidence and aggressiveness to see who's winning.

How anyone is DUPED and fooled into voting for someone based on how much fake aggression he showed without showing his actual hand to YOU the citizen that will vote for him. is REEEEDICULOUS.

It's ridiculous but true nonetheless.

HOW DUMB IS AMERICA if all it takes is a loud enough voice and a tough stare?

Pretty dumb.
 

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Yes, that's exactly what it is. Americans are dumb.

Y'all actin like Obama was spitting nothing but truth and facts. Check any objective fact checker :comeon:

Well no, this is the other extreme. Obama dealt more with facts than Romney IMO, but looking at public opinion you'd have thought Romney revealed some great ideas that the President just didn't do. Personally, I thought it was a wash. Both candidates saying nothing and just talking in circles. Both essentially agreeing. But 67-25% in favor of Romney? That's ridiculous.
 

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Y'all actin like Obama was spitting nothing but truth and facts. Check any objective fact checker :comeon:

what did obeezy say that was a lie? go ahead and post it. dont hide it like romney. and i wont care what you post. cause they are all politicians . so we know they all lie at times. some more then others. i'm not even talking about lying at this point. i'm talking about romney not actually debating anyone without mentioning how he would promote his policies.
 

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Pretty much. Its a matter if you want to take a chance on the unknown or Obama.

oh really.

you're lying.
i'll give you one example.

they asked a pre prez obeezy what would he do to when it came to terroism etc. he said, first things first. i'm going to capture/kill osama.

they said but but what if he is in Pakistan, you know we cant just bum rush in there unannounced.

what did obeezy say? he didnt say uhh uhhh , i'm going to get osama. without explaining how.

he said, if we knew he was in there. and i was leary about how pakistan would handle it. meaning he wasnt sure word wouldnt get back to osama then he would disappear again. obama told us to our faces. "i would go into pakistan and get that fool anyway.

everyone called him naive , what happened in the real word? Obama walked right into pakistan and got that fool osama JUST LIKE HE SAID HE WOULD.

see, i show you why i think the previous prez's policy didnt work. i then tell you what i would do. THEN i tell you how i would go about doing what i believe is the correct path. even if i'm wrong(since i'm not the actual prez i dont know for sure if everything i'm saying is even doable. but atleast i have a clue and have an IDEA of what i'm trying to accomplish.)

thats how you do it. thats how you get a discussion/debate going. not spouting nonsense about you dont like the other guys policies and you will do something different but never say how.
 

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oh really.

you're lying.
i'll give you one example.

they asked a pre prez obeezy what would he do to when it came to terroism etc. he said, first things first. i'm going to capture/kill osama.

they said but but what if he is in Pakistan, you know we cant just bum rush in there unannounced.

what did obeezy say? he didnt say uhh uhhh , i'm going to get osama. without explaining how.

he said, if we knew he was in there. and i was leary about how pakistan would handle it. meaning he wasnt sure word wouldnt get back to osama then he would disappear again. obama told us to our faces. "i would go into pakistan and get that fool anyway.

everyone called him naive , what happened in the real word? Obama walked right into pakistan and got that fool osama JUST LIKE HE SAID HE WOULD.

see, i show you why i think the previous prez's policy didnt work. i then tell you what i would do. THEN i tell you how i would go about doing what i believe is the correct path. even if i'm wrong(since i'm not the actual prez i dont know for sure if everything i'm saying is even doable. but atleast i have a clue and have an IDEA of what i'm trying to accomplish.)

thats how you do it. thats how you get a discussion/debate going. not spouting nonsense about you dont like the other guys policies and you will do something different but never say how.


Ok? You cherry picked one example where Obama came through. What about him cutting the deficit in half?

I'm sure if Romney is elected not everything will come to fruition...as most things dont in politics. But it wouldn't surprise me if something did.
 
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