Max Kellerman: GGG’s legacy needs to be reviewed

desjardins

desjardins

Veteran
Joined
Nov 3, 2015
Messages
16,889
Reputation
1,086
Daps
62,767
Reppin
Mustard Island
I think Derevyanchenko won
But this whole erase his legacy thing is dumb.
The knock outs stopped for him the same way they stopped from Thurmans, Spence, Kovalev and a bunch of other "monsters" when they increased the competition level
For all the talk about being exposed all of these fights are...competitive. Max even said he won the 1st Canelo fight
I don't even think these type of criticisms are specific to GGG. Joshua lost and suddenly "was always an overrated bum", same for Manny losses. I'm sure when Spence, Wilder, or Crawford lose some fans are going to use that to question their entire careers
 
K

Knockout_LR_Freshmart

All Star
Joined
Nov 19, 2016
Messages
1,254
Reputation
230
Daps
3,929
Max is being disrespectful, GGG is/was elite.

Whether or not the Derevyanchenko fight was a one-off occurrence or his true decline will be seen, but to Max's point, I do think he needs to bounce back with a big win over a big name to be viewed more favorably in retrospect by the average boxing fan.
 
Thatrogueassdiaz

Thatrogueassdiaz

We're on the blood path now
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
28,695
Reputation
4,298
Daps
50,911
Reppin
Center self, inner self
desjardins said:
I think Derevyanchenko won
But this whole erase his legacy thing is dumb.
The knock outs stopped for him the same way they stopped from Thurmans, Spence, Kovalev and a bunch of other "monsters" when they increased the competition level
For all the talk about being exposed all of these fights are...competitive. Max even said he won the 1st Canelo fight
I don't even think these type of criticisms are specific to GGG. Joshua lost and suddenly "was always an overrated bum", same for Manny losses. I'm sure when Spence, Wilder, or Crawford lose some fans are going to use that to question their entire careers
Click to expand...
Max also said the second fight was a draw, but now all of a sudden he's saying Canelo won. Most people, including me, think GGG won both fights. GGG issues actually aren't as simple as better comp. I believe he got old as soon as he moved up in comp. It all happened at the same time imo.
 
reservoirdogs

reservoirdogs

Superstar
Joined
Jun 1, 2016
Messages
12,707
Reputation
1,030
Daps
25,527
theflyest said:
I haven't watched the clip, but there's nothing to review. He beat the best guys available during his prime. The division got hot as he was exiting his prime.
Click to expand...
I agree that as the level of competition rises, KOs become rarer and that Golovkin was already older when he got to those fights. He could have try to move up while still at his peak though. 160 was one of the if not the weakest divisions for some years. I remember top names other than GGG around that time consisted the likes of Geale, Murray, Quillin, Lemieux, N'dam and the likes...
These are not bad fighters but neither of them is on the level of let's say a Jacobs.
The only other elite guy could have been Martinez but that was just the wreck of Martinez already.
GGG could have moved up in weight and challenge someone for a 168 title but he didn't, he decided to stuck in 160 for years, either because he didn't want part of 168ers or because he was already waiting for a Canelo fight to come up even though they were years from Canelo appearing there or maybe for some other reason but he never did so he can blame himself mostly for not getting any of the top fighters while he was at his absolute peak. He decided to never move up...

With that said he's still a surefire HOF-er, he dominated good opposition for years and beat some very good fighters too like Derev or Jacobs even though not clearly. The Canelo fights were both very close and regardless that I had Canelo winning the rematch Golovkin proved he belongs to that level in these fight and that he wasn't just a hypejob.

So the coin has 2 sides, on the one hand he is a HOF-er and was as elite fighter in his prime, on the other hand though he never dared to be great and this way he's a bit of a wasted potential too.
 
krackdagawd

krackdagawd

Inspire.
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
45,732
Reputation
8,251
Daps
139,890
Reppin
Another Gold Medal
mr. smoke weed said:
As soon as the shyt with Ward happened, most people knew what time it was. Triple G is very good, a hall of famer for sure. Elite? At one point. Transcendent? No
Click to expand...

Same ggg that was down to fight Chavez jr at 175 or whatever the fukk it was aint want no smoke w Ward at 168. All the ggg stans said was go fight kkkov, Ward did that 2x beat him and ggg still spinning his wheels at 160 hoping Canelo gives him another payday despite Canelo moving up 2 weight classes from him :camby:

The fact that Canelo who started at 147 would prob fight Ward at 175 and ggg was saying "he too much for me :mjcry: " when SOG was at supermiddle :picard:

Dude had no problem picking on smaller fighters like Brook tho or dudes ranked #79 at 154 tho :hhh:.

Dude was a good fighter and his title defenses will prob make him a shoe in at hof but his resume been looking funny in the light. No big wins Jacobs should have got that and a draw and a loss from the guy he spent his career chasing:hhh:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top