Matthew McConaughey Being Eyed To Play 'Norman Osborn' In SPIDER-MAN Reboot?

[MartyMcFly]

Morlun a actual character breh... Venom may not have the best character development but Morlun is basically Spider-man's Doomsday a guy built just to kill him. The Spider-verse event was weak due to him being featured as a main villain.

Lol whereas I feel like it was weak based on Slott's writing but I'm not the biggest fan of Slott's spider-man writing; I love his stories but his plotting and dialogue are always meh to me. JMS did him justice. Anytime I would read those issues, there was a real sense of doom and fear when he was around and almost like it was hopeless going after him.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Captain Stacy died in the first ASM movie. Gwen died in the second. Both were principal characters in each movie. And regarding the bystanders, you seem them get hurt but no movie is going to spend time to show how badly hurt they are or going to the hospital. That's just a waste of time and generally implied (plus the more people are shown to die/get hurt, the more morbid it gets).

Nobody cares about captain Stacy man.

Just think of all the marvel movies when someone fake died. Now imagine if it wasnt fake and they really died

It's called suspense. Yes we know in the end good guys win. But damn. Can you make us forget that for a second and actually wonder "I wonder how and IF they'll make it out"

 

[Jazzy B.]

They just need a completely different approach & come out with Venom & Carnage. Just come out hard.

What they try to do is save these guys (until the 3rd or 4th film) & the movies are so awful, they can't even get to them.

They gotta stop the Norman Osborn/Green Goblin thing over & over again. It's old & repetitive. Bring him in later down the line.

Always thought they should have done a symbiote trilogy with Venom and Carnage.

Film 1 would be Spider-Man vs Venom.
Film 2 would be Spider-Man vs Venom and Carnage.
Film 3 would be Planet of the Symbiotes.

That's really what everyone wants to see. I'm shocked it hasn't been done yet despite having three different series

Venom isn't the biggest breh. Norman is. And I say that as a 90s kid. Norman killed the woman he was going to marry, created versions of his parents to fukk with his life, is the father of his best friend, took control of the avengers, and became the king of the underworld. Venom is a special forces instrument now worn by flash Thompson. Trust me if they truly were the biggest and baddest marvel would be exploiting the hell out of them but they don't so there's your answer

And I'm saying miss me because as a character he and carnage are kinda meh. Always have been. Especially carnage. With eddie you can maybe get a compelling story out of him but carnage has never been written well at all and there's a reason he's rarely showed up in spider man comics since the 90s ended. Meanwhile he's continued to fight Norman and ock and sandman and kingpin etc. which is really the way to go; kingpin or a crime boss. Make its out him dealing with the underworld rather than him dealing with science experiments gone wrong. That's how you change it up

And I agree with you on marvel's movies having no stakes and it sucks but it is what it is at this point

In terms of popularity and fame Venom and Carnage are by far Spider-Man's biggest villains.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Film 1 would be Spider-Man vs Venom.
Film 2 would be Spider-Man vs Venom and Carnage.
Film 3 would be Planet of the Symbiotes.

That's really what everyone wants to see. I'm shocked it hasn't been done yet despite having three different series

no it ISN'T. Film 3 would be the epitome of jumping the shark. Venom is 'cool' but NOT that compelling to drive a fukkin TRILOGY

plus

sony WAS developing a VENOM MOVIE but i'm sure you and others would've shytted on it anyway

 

[MartyMcFly]

Always thought they should have done a symbiote trilogy with Venom and Carnage.

Film 1 would be Spider-Man vs Venom.
Film 2 would be Spider-Man vs Venom and Carnage.
Film 3 would be Planet of the Symbiotes.

That's really what everyone wants to see. I'm shocked it hasn't been done yet despite having three different series




In terms of popularity and fame Venom and Carnage are by far Spider-Man's biggest villains.

I've never disputed their popularity but I contend that they're not compelling characters which is what you need for a great movie. Especially carnage. The most compelling thing about venom has been done in ultimate spider man or spectacular spider man where they made the beef between he and Pete mean something and simmer. Making them good friends works a lot better so when the turn comes it's both the symbiote and Eddie being hurt by this person they both cared about and that hate of him makes them a perfect pair.

And no way in hell do I want to see a venom carnage trilogy.

 

[Jazzy B.]

no it ISN'T. Film 3 would be the epitome of jumping the shark. Venom is 'cool' but NOT that compelling to drive a fukkin TRILOGY

plus

sony WAS developing a VENOM MOVIE but i'm sure you and others would've shytted on it anyway

Did I say just Venom? I clearly said Carnage as well and I'm talking about movies with them as antagonists to Spider-Man in Spider-Man movies. So fukk are you doing bringing up solos? The last two biggest comic book trilogies recycled and remolded their villains over three movies.
Venom and Carnage are Spider-Man's most popular villains by a landslide of course everyone wants to see them interact with Spider-Man, Spider-Man 3 was ripped apart primarily because of it's handling of Venom and Eddie Brock more than anything else

 

[TheGodling]

@ a full-blown symbiot trilogy. shyt would be garbage. All they need to do is introduce Brock in the first movie, keep building up his feud with Spidey in the next movie (where Spidey gets the suit but discards it at the end when he nearly kills that movie's villain) and then Spidey fights Venom in the third.

 

[Jazzy B.]

I've never disputed their popularity but I contend that they're not compelling characters which is what you need for a great movie. Especially carnage. The most compelling thing about venom has been done in ultimate spider man or spectacular spider man where they made the beef between he and Pete mean something and simmer. Making them good friends works a lot better so when the turn comes it's both the symbiote and Eddie being hurt by this person they both cared about and that hate of him makes them a perfect pair.

And no way in hell do I want to see a venom carnage trilogy.

You're answering the question to your problem


I'm not disputing that the characters were designed to be gimmicks similarly to characters such as Doomsday and Bane. But as The Dark Knight Rises showed you can elevate a villain from that place to something else or higher if you really want to. No reason why it can't be done with Carnage or Venom. Was Bane ever a pseudo-revolutionary/faux Robin Hood in the comics? The movie redesigned the character whilst still being faithful, made him interesting and was presented similarly to how Darth Vader was in Star Wars.

Nobody was asking for Bane to be the primary villain of the final Batman movie, especially after coming off a character like The Joker due to the character being thought to be a one-note character. It was the likes of Strange and Riddler being clamored for similarly to what you're saying in regards to characters like Osborn compared to a character like Venom.

 

[MartyMcFly]

You're answering the question to your problem


I'm not disputing that the characters were designed to be gimmicks similarly to characters such as Doomsday and Bane. But as The Dark Knight Rises showed you can elevate a villain from that place to something else or higher if you really want to. No reason why it can't be done with Carnage or Venom. Was Bane ever a pseudo-revolutionary/faux Robin Hood in the comics? The movie redesigned the character whilst still being faithful, made him interesting and was presented similarly to how Darth Vader was in Star Wars.

Nobody was asking for Bane to be the primary villain of the final Batman movie, especially after coming off a character like The Joker due to the character being thought to be a one-note character. It was the likes of Strange and Riddler being clamored for similarly to what you're saying in regards to characters like Osborn compared to a character like Venom.

It's not the answer to my own problem because very often the filmmakers don't like copying what works in cartoons. Spider man 3 is perfect example of that. I'm arguing that Eddie as currently constructed in marvel comics is one note and not a good character. And for it to work the way I feel it will work and what I'm talking about is a build up. You'd have to introduce that character like tomorrow and build him for two or three movies and then let it happen because they're not afforded the same luxury that Greg Weisman or Bendis was afforded which is time.

The reason Ock or goblin or kingpin or the big man or any other villain he has would work in a film is because you don't need a lot of set up to create the beef between hero and villain. With Eddie tho it requires time. Bane worked because they set him up with a connection to the league. In order for the venom thing to work you need to show their relationship and convey that effectively. Then you've got to introduce the symbiote and have Peter use that. Then a second movie shows the continuing degeneration of their relationship while the symbiote takes over. Then the third one is your climax. I've thought all that out but I always question if a filmmaker will take that on

And with carnage you have to do a lot of work. Basically turn him into the joker cause as is he's terrible

 

[Jazzy B.]

It's not the answer to my own problem because very often the filmmakers don't like copying what works in cartoons. Spider man 3 is perfect example of that. I'm arguing that Eddie as currently constructed in marvel comics is one note and not a good character. And for it to work the way I feel it will work and what I'm talking about is a build up. You'd have to introduce that character like tomorrow and build him for two or three movies and then let it happen because they're not afforded the same luxury that Greg Weisman or Bendis was afforded which is time

And with carnage you have to do a lot of work. Basically turn him into the joker cause as is he's terrible

No you answered your question regarding the problem you have over the use of the character as a primary villain. You said Venom isn't a compelling character, then you talk about an effort being made to make him compelling in a TV show. So why couldn't a filmmaker do it the same way Nolan did it with Bane and make him "compelling" over the course of a two hour movie?. It has nothing to do with copying an idea from cartoons, it's simply to do with adding layers and elements to a character that's seen as "one-note" to elevate the said character.

 

[MartyMcFly]

No you answered your question regarding the problem you have over the use of the character as a primary villain. You said Venom isn't a compelling character, then you talk about an effort being made to make him compelling in a TV show. So why couldn't a filmmaker do it the same way Nolan did it with Bane and make him "compelling" over the course of a two hour movie?. It has nothing to do with copying an idea from cartoons, it's simply to do with adding layers and elements to a character that's seen as "one-note" to elevate the said character.

Yeah again I don't see them doing that. That's what I'm saying. Obviously that could change based on a director and writer but as of now I see marvel trying to take him right off the page as is and that would bore the hell out of me and make a terrible film breh. I also feel like marvel as a comic studio clearly think he's a bum based on what they've done with that version and made the more compelling character and story with flash as venom. I just think marvel as a comic company and maybe as a studio (we'll see) has no idea what to do with him and now there's a whole generation of fans who has no idea who he is

 

[detroitwalt]

I don't know why folks are clamoring for Carnage when we all know they won't show him catching bodies. Those same people will be the 1st ones making threads about how wack Carnage was

 

[BillBanneker]

I don't know why folks are clamoring for Carnage when we all know they won't show him catching bodies. Those same people will be the 1st ones making threads about how wack Carnage was

Yeah, nobody wants to see a pg13 carnage (if they want to see carnage), and other people could care less.

 

[obarth]

All I'm know is I'm bytching and declaring the film trash if he doesn't have waves

McConagawd rocking the pink durag (flag out) for the first half of the movie, only to take it off and have the waves tsunami status for the second half

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

is this really that fukking difficult


movie 1... origin and osborne... for the 3rd time in a decade mind you... but hey... gotta show off this little kid right

movie 1.5.... after credit scene with the meteor hitting earth and spiderman finding it

movie 2... spider man vs venomm movie... first half he has the suit... self half (not 20 mins) is him battling with venom

movie 2.5.... after credits with venom creating carnage

movie 3... spiderman vs venom vs carnage....





how fukking hard is that... i mean yea it'd be fine to go through all the osbornes and some other shyts... but come the fukk on... this is the 6th movie and second reboot... who the fukk cares

get to the only two villians we haven't seen, that 99% of the spidey fans been waiting to see, and lets get it popping... destruction and death and shyt getting fukked up and two nutcases fukkING up spidermans' life on a daily basis



this is what i mean when i say marvel on that bullshyt... what we'll actually get is the same cookie cutter films... spiderman chilling and never being in danger.. and the same characters we been seeing since spiderman 1, with the same story that we already know exactly how it'll turn out