Math Hoffa doubles down on his disrespect for HipHop. Smfh

[Buddy]

all this gate keeping most of the planet doesn't care about

Yes indeed

 

[OneManGang]

Because it's not true. To keep it short, Hispanic came along AFTER hiphop was up and running and created by Black Americans.

I can't believe people keep circling back around to this 50/50 shyt and we still have never seen the 50% the Latinos claim they brought to the creation of hiphop.

Let’s say that this is true, yall gate keep West Indian background blacks out of it as well. It’s just not a realistic take in NYC during that time. Either that or the argument is setting a start date for the creation of hip hop to fit a particular narrative. To my knowledge both groups had been in NYC for decades already

 

[DonB90]

Black Americans created reggae

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

nikkas sit around and act like this was something created in a lab with some type of mathematical formula

It was an organic cultural movement among impoverished folks that literally accepted everyone. The hell are we even talking about here?

What pissed me off the most is that 80% of the people speaking on it never stepped foot in New York City. Saying Hip Hop was created by ______ is like saying Disco was created by one single group. That’s not how a movement works not in the largest city on the United States.

 

[8WON6]

Let’s say that this is true, yall gate keep West Indian background blacks out of it as well. It’s just not a realistic take in NYC during that time. Either that or the argument is setting a start date for the creation of hip hop to fit a particular narrative. To my knowledge both groups had been in NYC for decades already

being somewhere doesn't mean shyt. And can we please not just circle back around to these "we lived in the same city" stances? White people lived in New York too...did they create hiphop?

Also, there are multiple interviews from the Ricans that participated back in the day where they clearly state they got it from Black Americans...meaning Black people already had it up and running and some Latino kid saw them doing it and "discovered" it that day.

Also, you can see the elements of hiphop before it was called "hiphop" all over Black American culture. We can show you people rapping in black & white or on blues jive songs in the 20s and 30s. The Jubilaires were gospel quartet rapping. There's a reason all the early hiphop pioneers names were based on words like Funky or Disco. Where were the "Salsa Six" of the "Mambo Three" type of pioneer rap groups?

 

[In The Zone '98]

This is a very weird question. They grew up in the same environment in NYC everyone else did that was an originator. Am I understanding this question right?

Hip hop was always more than just putting lyrics over a beat in those days

So who are the Spanish influences of the late 60s-70s?

 

[OneManGang]

being somewhere doesn't mean shyt. And can we please not just circle back around to these "we lived in the same city" stances? White people lived in New York too...did they create hiphop?

Also, there are multiple interviews from the Ricans that participated back in the day where they clearly state they got it from Black Americans...meaning Black people already had it up and running and some Latino kid saw them doing it and "discovered" it that day.

Also, you can see the elements of hiphop before it was called "hiphop" all over Black American culture. We can show you people rapping in black & white or on blues jive songs in the 20s and 30s. The Jubilaires were gospel quartet rapping. There's a reason all the early hiphop pioneers names were based on words like Funky or Disco. Where were the "Salsa Six" of the "Mambo Three" type of pioneer rap groups?

White people absolutely were not in the same spaces in the same ways blacks and Hispanics were. shyt even in the 90s and 2000s when I was still in NYC, certain neighborhoods had very little white presence. So your argument already sounds a bit suspect.

As to the rest of your post, nobody anywhere has ever said black Americans dont have a celebrated history in music that formed the basis for hip hop, but you all are the one excluding everyone else contributions to the art form. It’s crazy bc Caribbean background people and Latinos grew up as nothing but New Yorkers. They went to the same events, same parties, etc. The hip hop scene grew with everyone involved. It’s all love, never has been this disconnect I’m seeing online.

It’s a fools errand to try and pinpoint it to just one ethnicity in my opinion. New Yorkers in the hood started hip hop

 

[85 East]

We're the same fukking people. This whole FBA/ADOS shyt is stupid. Go dona DNA test. I literally have family in Oakland, NY, NC, Oklahoma, Iowa, Jamaica, Cuba, UK, Nova Scota, BC, Puerto Rico...

All descendants of slavery, all have the same African origins before we got here. Mannerisms, attitudes, style, body language, all the same.

Black people created most of todays music. Island music. Spanish music. Electronic music. We, not just American, but black people around the world, created majority of todays music.

 

[TripleAgent]

White people absolutely were not in the same spaces in the same ways blacks and Hispanics were. shyt even in the 90s and 2000s when I was still in NYC, certain neighborhoods had very little white presence. So your argument already sounds a bit suspect.

As to the rest of your post, nobody anywhere has ever said black Americans dont have a celebrated history in music that formed the basis for hip hop, but you all are the one excluding everyone else contributions to the art form. It’s crazy bc Caribbean background people and Latinos grew up as nothing but New Yorkers. They went to the same events, same parties, etc. The hip hop scene grew with everyone involved. It’s all love, never has been this disconnect I’m seeing online.

It’s a fools errand to try and pinpoint it to just one ethnicity in my opinion. New Yorkers started hip hop, period

Not in the late 60s/early 70s when it formed. Young(er) New Yorkers look at it like shyt is like now when it clearly wasn't. The old schoolers say it themselves, but you don't listen. Just like Math. Loud and wrong.

 

[In The Zone '98]

We're the same fukking people. This whole FBA/ADOS shyt is stupid. Go dona DNA test. I literally have family in Oakland, NY, NC, Oklahoma, Iowa, Jamaica, Cuba, UK, Nova Scota, BC, Puerto Rico...

All descendants of slavery, all have the same African origins before we got here. Mannerisms, attitudes, style, body language, all the same.

Black people created most of todays music. Island music. Spanish music. Electronic music. We, not just American, but black people around the world, created majority of todays music.

FBA wants to separate on lineage for their reparations claim

Have every right to do so

 

[The Fade]

White people absolutely were not in the same spaces in the same ways blacks and Hispanics were. shyt even in the 90s and 2000s when I was still in NYC, certain neighborhoods had very little white presence. So your argument already sounds a bit suspect.

As to the rest of your post, nobody anywhere has ever said black Americans dont have a celebrated history in music that formed the basis for hip hop, but you all are the one excluding everyone else contributions to the art form. It’s crazy bc Caribbean background people and Latinos grew up as nothing but New Yorkers. They went to the same events, same parties, etc. The hip hop scene grew with everyone involved. It’s all love, never has been this disconnect I’m seeing online.

It’s a fools errand to try and pinpoint it to just one ethnicity in my opinion. New Yorkers in the hood started hip hop

People do this all the time with EVERYTHING when it comes to us so much that’s a bonding circkejerk. It’s the glue.

Then you look deeper with certain stuff and find Black American hands all over it in the beginning, people wanna “it belongs to everyone, can’t we just get along, culture is meant to be shared”. It’s the same script by multiple ethnic groups and races when it comes to us, you could make a bingo chart or parlays off it. There’s a Miles Davis quote but Miles shouldn’t have just made it about white people.

 

[OneManGang]

Not in the late 60s/early 70s when it formed. Young(er) New Yorkers look at it like shyt is like now when it clearly wasn't. The old schoolers say it themselves, but you don't listen. Just like Math. Loud and wrong.

What you mean breh something got lost in translation there.

 

[OneManGang]

People do this all the time with EVERYTHING when it comes to us so much that’s a bonding circkejerk. It’s the glue.

Then you look deeper with certain stuff and find Black American hands all over it in the beginning, people wanna “it belongs to everyone, can’t we just get along, culture is meant to be shared”. It’s the same script by multiple ethnic groups and races when it comes to us. There’s a Miles Davis quote but Miles shouldn’t have just made it about white people.

I acknowledge this point. You’re right. We always acknowledge the origins. Black Americans have a wonderful history of music. That’s known

But Africans aren’t out here saying we originated your music bc we have you drums. You don’t see the paradox?

 

[8WON6]

White people absolutely were not in the same spaces in the same ways blacks and Hispanics were. shyt even in the 90s and 2000s when I was still in NYC, certain neighborhoods had very little white presence. So your argument already sounds a bit suspect.

As to the rest of your post, nobody anywhere has ever said black Americans dont have a celebrated history in music that formed the basis for hip hop, but you all are the one excluding everyone else contributions to the art form. It’s crazy bc Caribbean background people and Latinos grew up as nothing but New Yorkers. They went to the same events, same parties, etc. The hip hop scene grew with everyone involved. It’s all love, never has been this disconnect I’m seeing online.

It’s a fools errand to try and pinpoint it to just one ethnicity in my opinion. New Yorkers in the hood started hip hop

1)According to your logic "they lived in the New York/the Bronx at the time" should be a good enough argument for white people to claim hiphop as their creation, why all of a sudden the change?

2)we are excluding people from the creation because they didn't create anything. And don't just keep trying to change the language to "contribution"...and even that's kind of a weak leg to stand on. But yeah, we say "creation" yall switch to "contribution". And you contradicted yourself...you say Caribbeans and Latinos grew up as New Yorkers...so when i suggested White people who were also New Yorkers, your logic changes?

3)it's only become fools errand when you are tasked with showing people the hiphop creations that Latinos made. All of a sudden yall start hittin those vague terms like "it started in New York in general" or "50/50" or "you can't just say it was black people".



god i can't believe yall keep circling back around and playing stupid.

 

[Marco Zen]

nikkaz invented water





Anybody who says otherwise is a fukkin buck dancing c00n