Mass shooting in Birmingham Alabama…4 people dead, 21 injured

[CouldntBeMeTho]

Remember, stuff like this counts as a “mass shooting” in the statistics

One of the dumbest things I've ever seen here. Go jump in the nearest Bush fakkit

 

[NoMoreWhiteWoman2020]

Over a 100 casings were found. Switches, the possession or trafficking of them, should carry a mandatory 40 year sentence. No matter the age

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is like watching Kobe and MJ in 97

Coli WOAT vs coli WOAT

As it should?

What’s your point fakkit?

Why the fukk wouldn’t it? Absolute clown shyt to be worried about that as your initial response. What a piece of shyt

Any who has seen their posting knows that Napoleon's call center has a list of agendas taped next to their computer screens, and every member of the team is required to immediately insert those agendas into the conversation at every opportunity.

They often insert said agendas at inappropriate times, but they come from another culture and English is their second language so don't be too hard.

One of the dumbest things I've ever seen here. Go jump in the nearest Bush fakkit

Yall were arguing with me in this thread about whether or not victims of shootings could pursue family members of illegal gun owners and shooting suspects. You all claimed that things like this weren’t “mass shootings” because they weren’t what people think of when thought of terrorism or school shootings but I was trying to tell you that in the eyes of the government and academics around mass shootings, stuff like this weigh down what people think of when they log what “mass shootings” are.

I’m raising the point that when they talk about urban crime, this is why they overlook changing gun laws around long guns and rifles in terrorism and school shootings to focus on stuff like this in urban environments and leave the type of weapons used in conventional terrorism alone. In the eyes of statistics, this is just as much of as “mass shooting” as Sandy Hook.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/if-you-agree-with-arresting-the-parents-of-school-mass-shooters-what-about-the-parents-of-non-school-shooters-in-the-streets.1049462/

 

[Absolut]

Yall were arguing with me in this thread about whether or not victims of shootings could pursue family members of illegal gun owners and shooting suspects. You all claimed that things like this weren’t “mass shootings” because they weren’t what people think of when thought of terrorism or school shootings but I was trying to tell you that in the eyes of the government and academics around mass shootings, stuff like this weigh down what people think of when they log what “mass shootings” are.

I’m raising the point that when they talk about urban crime, this is why they overlook changing gun laws around long guns and rifles in terrorism and school shootings to focus on stuff like this in urban environments and leave the type of weapons used in conventional terrorism alone. In the eyes of statistics, this is just as much of as “mass shooting” as Sandy Hook.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/if-you-agree-with-arresting-the-parents-of-school-mass-shooters-what-about-the-parents-of-non-school-shooters-in-the-streets.1049462/

Why is this your first thought after seeing this story? Also Post where anyone said a shooting that left dozens of folks fighting for their lives is anything other than a mass shooting?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yall were arguing with me in this thread about whether or not victims of shootings could pursue family members of illegal gun owners and shooting suspects. You all claimed that things like this weren’t “mass shootings” because they weren’t what people think of when thought of terrorism or school shootings but I was trying to tell you that in the eyes of the government and academics around mass shootings, stuff like this weigh down what people think of when they log what “mass shootings” are.

No we weren't.


You were the one who repeatedly tried to insert that "but how do you define a mass shooting?" bullshyt into the thread and NO ONE took the bait. None of us said that the parents should be charged only if it's a "defined" mass shooting. What people said over and over, and what I dapped over and over, was that the deciding factor is whether the parents provide the gun knowing there's a problem, not how "mass shooting" is defined.

This School shooter literally was gifted an AR-15 from his dad after being questioned by the FBI for his terroristic threats. This false equivalent bullshyt.

If the parents guns were the ones involved in the shooting, then sure charge them. The problem is that a lot of those guns out on the street are illegal and you can’t charge parents for that.

Didn't provide the gun directly or access to it +Didn't have any idea of what they were doing or planning = No criminal liability.

The father, after his son was questioned by the fbi due threats he’d made a year ago, bought his son a fukking machine gun for Christmas.

the father bought the son the gun, after he was interviewed by the fbi and put on a watchlist.

Parents of school shooters should be arrested if they bought the gun for the kid or if the kid use their gun to do the shooting.

Street shyt is different since the gangs themselves are the ones arming the kids or they steal the guns.

-I have 4 kids & know damn well you can't dictate what a teen that goes to public school does everyday. Parents should only be locked up for shyt they're actively involved in.

I know of someone who's in jail because they gave their child a gun, and that child then used it to murder. What's the problem with that?

edit - I also want to say there's a clear difference between your kid doing crime with a gun, and your kid doing crime with a firearm you either gave them or left unsecured.

Only when the parent made a firearm available that led to a violent shooting. If the boy is just out of control, steals one outside the home and uses it unbeknownst to the parents that's another issue

it’s an entirely different set of circumstances.

in one instance, a willfully negligent parent purchases a deadly weapon for their child, fully aware of the possibility that they may turn it on innocent people; in the other, a single black mother is at home while her child is in the streets, influenced by forces outside of her control.

You’re incorrectly assuming the guns, used in street shootings, come from the parents. They’re stolen or bought off the street. If you’re trying to say they should be charge because the kids weren’t supervised, or something, that’s another thing.

What % of crimes are committed by minors using guns taken from / provided by parents vs guns they secure on their own?

You didn't address that the part where the parents bought Ethan Crumbley a gun knowing that he had violent tendencies and mental health issues.

The school raised alarms about Ethan bringing a weapon into the school prior and called the parents in.

Again, nuance. If parents give children with mental health issues and violent tendencies a weapon, they should be prosecuted.

It's a case-by-case basis IMO.

If your kid commits a crime using YOUR gun because you gave it to them or didn't secure it, then you should have some responsibility.

Exactly.

The Ethan Crumbley case was clear cut. The dad gave Ethan a gun knowing that he had issues. The school informed the parents that he had brought bullets to school. The mother texted Ethan saying that he should learn to hide things better. They refused to come. Ethan even wrote about the voices in his head and wanted help from his parents, but they ignored him.

That shows that they could've prevented the tragedy as they had knowledge of everything.

I don't know what Nap is arguing for. Unless he is looking to use the slippery slope argument.

That's just from the first six pages before I gave up. Everyone was dog-piling on you with the same argument and you ignored them. Then you tried to come in here and claim the opposite argument that you wanted to happen had been going on.

This is why I said you post as if you have a list of agendas taped to your computer screen with zero awareness of what other people are saying.

 

[King Poetic]

Probably all under 18 shooters with one 30 year old

 

[Mowgli]

No we weren't.


You were the one who repeatedly tried to insert that "but how do you define a mass shooting?" bullshyt into the thread and NO ONE took the bait. None of us said that the parents should be charged only if it's a "defined" mass shooting. What people said over and over, and what I dapped over and over, was that the deciding factor is whether the parents provide the gun knowing there's a problem, not how "mass shooting" is defined.

































That's just from the first six pages before I gave up. Everyone was dog-piling on you with the same argument and you ignored them. Then you tried to come in here and claim the opposite argument that you wanted to happen had been going on.

This is why I said you post as if you have a list of agendas taped to your computer screen with zero awareness of what other people are saying.

You have to accept that he's a shill

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You have to accept that he's a shill

Accept? I've been saying he's a paid poster for years.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Probably all under 18 shooters with one 30 year old

That's just from the first six pages before I gave up. Everyone was dog-piling on you with the same argument and you ignored them. Then you tried to come in here and claim the opposite argument that you wanted to happen had been going on.

its unpopular to charge the parents of these kids, but its an increasingly prevalent talking point and you were mad at me for calling attention to the trend.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why is this your first thought after seeing this story? Also Post where anyone said a shooting that left dozens of folks fighting for their lives is anything other than a mass shooting?

Because thats my first thought. And? DO you have a problem? Did you cry about it? Did you lose sleep? Did I need to clear my opinions with you first?

I’m talking about the criminal justice implications of stuff like this that will start to affect urban and black communities.

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

Remember, stuff like this counts as a “mass shooting” in the statistics

What would you call it, khabibi

 

[Roger king]

The problem is the guns not the people, other nations have criminals and violent individuals, they dont have access to weapons that can shoot several bullets in seconds and murder innocent people

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

What would you call it, khabibi

I didn’t say it wasn’t a mass shooting. I’m saying that events like THIS in the black community are statistically the face of MASS shootings, NOT school shootings, islamic terrorist events, or white nationalist shootings.

Im calling attention to the fact that the black community is becoming the face of mass shootings and you all are mad that I’m highlighting this. The point is the steel the community against what I intuitively feel is about to be a shift in legal accountability that falls on black parents and guardians for these minors who commit violent acts.

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

I didn’t say it wasn’t a mass shooting. I’m saying that events like THIS in the black community are statistically the face of MASS shootings, NOT school shootings, islamic terrorist events, or white nationalist shootings.

Im calling attention to the fact that the black community is becoming the face of mass shootings and you all are mad that I’m highlighting this.

Go do yr job and gohead and call attention to yr manager about my high phone rates

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@Professor Emeritus YOu’d rather get your g-string in a knot than address that we’re about to be the face of some dark shyt….

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/05/us/mass-shootings-2024-vs-past-years