Mass shooting at Mandala Bay (Vegas) 61 dead, 500 + injured, deadliest shooting in American history

[Eddy Gordo]

I already posted my response to this question.

The only bad solution is to toss out prayers and just hope things magically get better. The US is literally the only first world country where this happens regularly yet people act like it's a huge mystery to solve the problem.

In fact, the general public mostly supports stricter gun control. It's congress (and of course the NRA) that's holding things up.

Analysis | Experts and the public agree on how to stop gun violence. Politicians don’t.

My bad, I should've clarified. Do you have a feasible suggestion. Any person with eyes could see this is what we should be doing. Yet if a classroom full of six year olds getting their brains blown out didn't change things I doubt this will.

While I despise the NRA they do have a point about firearms being a right in this country. It's literally the second amendment. I can't imagine any lawyer or congressman getting past it. Anyone can see the rationale behind it but it's very hard to argue with the bill of Rights.

Also we are not Australia that has oceans surrounding it. All bans are gonna do is push gun sales underground and have Mexicans moving them.
Example. A. Chicago and Indiana

And I do believe you can regulate new gun sales to some extent,but there is no way the U.S government would be able get it's hands on every auto and semi automatic weapon in the country. I don't even believe the majority of the public would sell them back. So how we get all the auto and semi automatics off the streets?

You wanna know the kicker? Even if this Las Vegas shooter didn't own a single gun he would've still killed a massive amount of people. The man had ammonium nitrate and tanerite. That stuff makes high grade explosives.
Guns bombs.

I get where you coming from. You wanna make the world a safer place, I respect that. But you can't save everybody. Better to put this Kevlar vest on layaway and keep it moving.

 

[re'up]

Criminals can get guns in Mexico because they are trafficked into the country by criminal organizations for the purpose of arming criminal organizations, not supplying them to civilians. The vast majority of the weapons in Mexico, come from the US, where they are fueling horrific, stunning violence. Mexico should not be a talking point in the gun control debate. The weakness and corruption of Mexico's institutions is what drives the victimization of it's population, not the lack of gun ownership.

-posted in here too, as I see Mexico becoming a discussion point, and it's not a good one.

 

[Kalik]

I trust the scientific method. If I see evidence that there was multiple shooters, I'll believe it.

Understandable.

I am not a conspiracy theorist... but after living close to the Pulse nightclub fiasco and what I heard about the cross fire inside (some victims were hit by police). When this started I tried to follow it closer. I just don't believe 1 man could pull it off.

 

[50CentStan]

America has too many guns in circulation for gun control. It's a lost cause. Maybe follow Israel and make military duty mandatory for all youths so they learn how to handle weapons properly and also weed out the mentally and emotionally unstable.

 

[Eddy Gordo]

Possible solutions are everywhere...you don't need me to repeat them. Make it either way more difficult to legally own and sell guns or make it illegal. Do continuous background checks on gun owners!!!! Increase funding for the mentally ill! These would be great starting points

There are no good solutions. See my previous post about outright banning guns. It's gonna prohibition and the war on drugs 3.0.

This guy passed background checks nor was he ever reported being mentally ill.

So do you have a better solution?

 

[Eddy Gordo]

Criminals can get guns in Mexico because they are trafficked into the country by criminal organizations for the purpose of arming criminal organizations, not supplying them to civilians. The vast majority of the weapons in Mexico, come from the US, where they are fueling horrific, stunning violence. Mexico should not be a talking point in the gun control debate. The weakness and corruption of Mexico's institutions is what drives the victimization of it's population, not the lack of gun ownership.

-posted in here too, as I see Mexico becoming a discussion point, and it's not a good one.

I have a hard time believing the cartels wouldn't sell guns back to the Americans for exorbitant prices if they get banned in the U.S. I'm not assigning blame to anyone here but it would just be bad business on the cartels part if this didn't occur.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Understandable.

I am not a conspiracy theorist... but after living close to the Pulse nightclub fiasco and what I heard about the cross fire inside (some victims were hit by police). When this started I tried to follow it closer. I just don't believe 1 man could pull it off.

I'm glad you were safe and I'm sorry you were so close to Pulse.

I totally understand. And I could be totally wrong.

I definitely don't want to think we live in a world where one person can shoot almost 600 people with such ease and almost no way to stop it.

 

[JMurder]

There are no good solutions. See my previous post about outright banning guns. It's gonna prohibition and the war on drugs 3.0.

This guy passed background checks nor was he ever reported being mentally ill.

So do you have a better solution?

You responded to only one thing I stated that was it's own individual thought, and didn't even completely give a great response. Of course immediately banning find out right is a terrible idea. A ten to twenty year plan in gun reduction and elimination would absolve some of the problems. It's not enough to say, well prohibition failed... Well why did it fail? Because people said alcohol is bad so we're going immediately make it illegal. That's poor planning and worse execution. Whatever plan that is made for the elimination and removal of guns in America needs to be well thought and well executed.

 

[re'up]

You are missing where I said the vast majority of the guns comes from American to begin with. Now, clearly, and I know a lot about this subject, trans national criminal organizations with ties to Europe, Asia, and South America are going to be able to get weapons from other places, not least of their own throughly corrupted federal institutions, but most come from the US. Trafficking weapons is not nearly as easy as guns, for one, through a Port of Entry. The size of an AR-15 in value, vs the size of single kilo of cocaine, is like say $800 for the rifle, and near 25,000 for the cocaine, at a very low estimate. Not to mention drugs like crystal, which are manufactured in Mexico, and maximize profits. It's not easy or good business.

 

[CashmereThoughts]

America has too many guns in circulation for gun control. It's a lost cause. Maybe follow Israel and make military duty mandatory for all youths so they learn how to handle weapons properly and also weed out the mentally and emotionally unstable.

Id rather deal with the violence than this. Not having my sons in the US MIL, fukk that

 

[Gus Money]

My bad, I should've clarified. Do you have a feasible suggestion. Any person with eyes could see this is what we should be doing. Yet if a classroom full of six year olds getting their brains blown out didn't change things I doubt this will.

While I despise the NRA they do have a point about firearms being a right in this country. It's literally the second amendment. I can't imagine any lawyer or congressman getting past it. Anyone can see the rationale behind it but it's very hard to argue with the bill of Rights.

Also we are not Australia that has oceans surrounding it. All bans are gonna do is push gun sales underground and have Mexicans moving them.
Example. A. Chicago and Indiana

And I do believe you can regulate new gun sales to some extent,but there is no way the U.S government would be able get it's hands on every auto and semi automatic weapon in the country. I don't even believe the majority of the public would sell them back. So how we get all the auto and semi automatics off the streets?

You wanna know the kicker? Even if this Las Vegas shooter didn't own a single gun he would've still killed a massive amount of people. The man had ammonium nitrate and tanerite. That stuff makes high grade explosives.
Guns bombs.

I get where you coming from. You wanna make the world a safer place, I respect that. But you can't save everybody. Better to put this Kevlar vest on layaway and keep it moving.

America is the only country where those suggestions wouldn't be considered feasible. You can always find a reason to not do something breh. The solutions really aren't that difficult, it's the people in the way making it harder than it needs to be.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

I do think, obviously, that the disparity of labeling and fear mongering when it's an ISIS related attack is pure racism, though I don't really blame the media, so much as the citizens, and the new administration. However, terrorism has kind of lost it's meaning in this new state of affairs, where we have people going on killing sprees for sometimes unknown, or unfathomable reasons. Terrorism is ideology based violence inflicted on civilians, it is terrorism, but if this guy did this because his life lost all meaning, or his girlfriend left him, what ideology is that? There's difference between violence for a cause, (IRA, ISIS, Al Qaeda) no matter how irrational, and kind of "men who want to watch the world burn", and then guys like Elliot Rodger, who fall more in line with domestic terrorist, which is probably the correct label here as well.

It's still possible that he had a brain health problem like this guy, but we're not supposed to say that on The Coli.

 

[fact]

IMHO, There is a huge difference between conspiracy theories for people just trying to make sense of what the fukk is actually going on here, because it is so hard to wrap your head around the sometimes senseless, devastating shyt that happens, with little to no explanation as to why, that has to be fukking agonizing for the folks that are affected directly or even indirectly, but then on the other hand, you have the Alex Jones type of fukking criminal, that weaponizes conspiracy theories for his own financial gains, political gain, etc. that guy is truly one of the most fukking evil people in the world. I, for the life of me, will never fully understand how people don't see through this guys shtick, even going to court and admitting under oath he is a performance artist, and also going on air and retracting statements because he is full of shyt. I, admittedly, hate listen to this guy probably once a week, and I really don't understand how people take this clown seriously. He is outwardly xenophobic/islamaphobic, mostly subtly but oftentimes openly racist, very clearly uneducated. Very hypocritical, spending his whole career up to last year "anti-establishment", but now, the justifications behind his support of this fukking clown in office are not even mental gymnastics, it's complete sycophant worship, cult like bullshyt. To pull the bullshyt he did yesterday, fresh off the shooting, saying that there were actually antifa pamphlets in the room, and to have this administration still continue to give this clown WH press credentials, like, really? He is pushing fukking hate, trying to incite violence. Let's say one of his listeners was directly affected by the shooting, like one of their family members was killed, and they actually take his spiel seriously, and then there you go. He is doing his very best to try to spark a civil war in this country, and someone needs to give him his issue. There has to be some way for someone to sue him and take everything away from him, his family, all of his bytch ass staff (the two p*ssy ass fukk boys Owen Troyer and Paul Joseph Watson need to catch the fade, first and foremost). There needs to be some kind of action with this guy and his provacation. /rant, mutha fukka has me heated right now.

 

[Eddy Gordo]

You are missing where I said the vast majority of the guns comes from American to begin with. Now, clearly, and I know a lot about this subject, trans national criminal organizations with ties to Europe, Asia, and South America are going to be able to get weapons from other places, not least of their own throughly corrupted federal institutions, but most come from the US. Trafficking weapons is not nearly as easy as guns, for one, through a Port of Entry. The size of an AR-15 in value, vs the size of single kilo of cocaine, is like say $800 for the rifle, and near 25,000 for the cocaine, at a very low estimate. Not to mention drugs like crystal, which are manufactured in Mexico, and maximize profits. It's not easy or good business.

The difference in price comes difference in demand. One of these you can get a Wal Mart, the other is highly illegal substance. Your telling me the Federal government banning guns wouldn't exponentially raise prices? We both know that if cocaine or meth was legal people would be making it in factories in the states and the stuff would be as cheap as Tylenol.
And not everything has to be a AR 15. Even I could get a disassembled automatic Glock or a folding submachine gun into the country if I wanted to.

 

[MenacingMonk]

Was the wife facing deportion? Anyone in her fam?