Field Marshall Bradley
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Marvin must be a voodoo priest or something......
Marvin Lewis keeps failing upward: he now runs the Bengals
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He's just limited as a passer, at least when it comes to decision making. His arm is good enough to make all the throws, but not with the zip that some of the top passers in the league have. With a good running game it creates balance and opens up the play action, which Dalton is actually pretty damn good at in this stage in his career. We've gotta be able to keep defenses on their toes, because if he's passing 35 times a game he's prone to mistakes. It's pretty simple honestly.I guess I just don't see the point. You've drafted skill position players in the first and/or second round in each of the past three seasons largely for their pass-catching abilities (and I'm certainly including Gio here). Why bother doing so if you plan to limit Dalton's pass attempts?
MegaTronBomb!
Power is in my hair nikka
Marvin must be a voodoo priest or something......
For what it's worth, his ability to reign in numerous players with off the field issues..or abrasive personalities is why he stayed so long....and that's the type of dude you want in your Front Office.
Field Marshall Bradley
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Good point
MegaTronBomb!
Power is in my hair nikka
and it was a wide range of cats too... from the mentally unstable( Chris Henry/Vontaze Burfict/Rey Maualuga) to the " I can't stop being a nikka ( Pacman Jones) to the attention whores ( Chad Johnson) to the If it wasn't for football i'd be in jail ( Frostee Rucker)
Bet he could've reeled in Dez, Justin Blackmon,Josh Gordon.....even a Manziel too.
That trait is probably truly undervalued in todays NFL....not to mention it gave him leverage if they wanted to fire him...cause who could you bring in that could keep that team from imploding?
True. Somehow he reeeeeeeally gets these nikkas. Never really thought about it cause he's held shyt down for so long. Dude needs to be lifetime GM or summin
What's surprising is he has a pure cac wife. He must have this inner piece that he imparts to dudes.
No, don't get me wrong. I completely agree with your assessment, and any reasonable football fan would see the benefit in a more balanced offense given Dalton's limitations. I'm actually questioning the Bengals' long-term draft strategy, not your posts... as in, why are they spending all these high draft picks on pass-catchers if they don't intend to implement a pass-heavy offense? That defense won't be young, deep, and talented forever. It's a questionable strategy; that's all I'm saying.
You got me there. I agree, brother. I think maybe they thought Dalton was more than he actually was. Or perhaps they think he hasn't hit his ceiling yet, which may be true. But if you ask me, we haven't used our weapons correctly. Jay Gruden would have decent plays, but he'd have the wrong personnel running the wrong routes. Or they drafted someone like Eifert and never utilized his NCAA record breaking pass catching ability. Positioning and play calling is a lot of the problem. Honestly, Id say it was about 40% of our problem on offense last season. The other 60% going to bad blocking, stupid Andy decisions, etc.
There's a ton of talent on offense, but it doesn't get utilized correctly. Specifically the TEs. I mean, check out this highlight video of Gresham from last season. For all of his boneheaded moves, I think people forget just how much of a physical fukking freak he can be.
Defenders bounce off of him. Consistently. Eifert is just as much as a freak, except he's more of a Jimmy Graham type of TE. Yet he almost NEVER went down the field. It's beyond infuriating. I feel like outside of AJ, our wideouts may be a bit overrated, but both Gresham and Eifert are a match-up nightmare for ANYBODY. They've got to take advantage of that this season, or its just more potential wasted.
Hue Jackson has got to be able to find that balance and figure out how to put everyone in position to be most effective, because Gruden had no clue what to do in terms of that. This team has too much fukking talent to bottom out in the first fukking round again, man. Its hard to be optimistic every year, but shyt man, there's no real reason they shouldn't make that push with the changes this year + incoming talent.
But I've got orange tinted glasses on, but making the playoffs 3 years in a row in a division like the AFC North really isn't something to just laugh at. There's obviously talent on this team. They've gotta put it together this year. I don't want to act like Gruden was like.....terrible. He wasn't. But he didn't utilize the talent he stockpiled. He just stockpiled it.
Well put. It should be an interesting season. Still an incredibly weak conference and there's no reason at all that you guys shouldn't at least grab a wild card spot.
for the rep as well.
Kenny West
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He's an amazing talent evaluator but the jacksonville jaguars of game day head coaches. Katie knows what the fukk she's doing as well, if you ask me. Mike Brown is known for being ridiculously loyal to his players, especially QBs. But the thing is, he doesn't like Andy Dalton as much as he liked his other QBs, and famously wanted to pick Kaepernick before being talked out of it by Jay fukkface Gruden. Brown has actually been damn good the past decade, and I think you can look at the talent he's brought together and see that. I don't know how Marvin feels about Andy, truly, because although he says he supports him and all that jazz in the media, he NEVER tells his true ideas/feelings to the media. He's a master at bullshyt coach speak which is, honestly, infuriating at times.
I really couldn't guess what this means for the franchise. As mentioned in a Grantland article recently, Andy Dalton is the QB nobody (well outside of the internet) wants to admit they don't want. I think the switch to Hue Jackson's system and not having Andy throw the ball 35 fukking times a game(Jay Gruden is an absolutely horrible offensive coach- good luck Redskins) could lead to a good year for him. That's why we drafted another running back. That's why Bernard is there. That's why we drafted Eifert last year. He has a fukk ton of of weapons. But if you look past the "Andy Dalton fukking sucks" storyline that you get bombarded with every time you talk about him on the internet, he has statistically improved a fair amount each year. He's still mid-tier at best, but there IS a chance of him improving to that next tier. I just wouldn't bet my team's future on it. I mean, objectively look at the kid's stats and tell me that they're terrible.
He's been solid out the gate and improved every year. He just throws entirely too fukking much(Looking at you Gruden).Yes, he's not an elite QB, but there is a mid tier level of QBs. We're not dealing with Mark Sanchez. He's just a younger, ginger Romo when it comes down to crunch time.
However, the fact that Mike Brown came out yesterday and said to the media that they want to give him a deal like the one Kaep got, that was famously broken down and shown to be worth really around 15 a year, I feel as though that means Andy's camp wants and believes he's worth more.
In that case, prove it. Go out there this season and prove it. There is absolutely nothing advantageous to signing him before the season. If you are scared of him "proving it" and actually developing into a QB that wins a couple playoff games, or actually brings this remarkably talented team to the SB because you're scared of paying him Flacco money, you shouldn't. The difference between us and the Ravens is we have the cap space to actually pay the man. We will have the core pieces of our team already locked up long term. We've been holding back and saving money exactly for this moment. If he goes out and proves it, awesome. If not, you need to tell him to fukk off and attack the draft again. This team is built to be a huge crutch for a young QB and already is. Dalton does not have a single irreplaceable attribute. He's worth 14-15 a yr right now....I fukking guess, because that's where the market is. But he wants more.
Earn it.
Edit: If you're going to ridicule me for talking about and trying to have a real discussion about my team, even if it is DA BUNGALS, spare me. I love my squad breh
tell me more about why Jay Gruden is a bad coach
Ehhhhh I'd say he's a meh coordinator. I'd be a dummy to say he has a bad football mind. He obviously knows what the fukk he's talking about if you've seen interviews or seen him at practices. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a much better Head Coach than OC. I just dunno how to explained it. Don't worry too much. He obviously impressed someone in your FO a good amount to hire him.tell me more about why Jay Gruden is a bad coach
Of course I'm sure a good amount of it hinges on the Gruden name. He's done good things, though. Its not like we were a bad offense. Just could have been better.
He's an amazing talent evaluator but the jacksonville jaguars of game day head coaches. Katie knows what the fukk she's doing as well, if you ask me. Mike Brown is known for being ridiculously loyal to his players, especially QBs. But the thing is, he doesn't like Andy Dalton as much as he liked his other QBs, and famously wanted to pick Kaepernick before being talked out of it by Jay fukkface Gruden. Brown has actually been damn good the past decade, and I think you can look at the talent he's brought together and see that. I don't know how Marvin feels about Andy, truly, because although he says he supports him and all that jazz in the media, he NEVER tells his true ideas/feelings to the media. He's a master at bullshyt coach speak which is, honestly, infuriating at times.
I really couldn't guess what this means for the franchise. As mentioned in a Grantland article recently, Andy Dalton is the QB nobody (well outside of the internet) wants to admit they don't want. I think the switch to Hue Jackson's system and not having Andy throw the ball 35 fukking times a game(Jay Gruden is an absolutely horrible offensive coach- good luck Redskins) could lead to a good year for him. That's why we drafted another running back. That's why Bernard is there. That's why we drafted Eifert last year. He has a fukk ton of of weapons. But if you look past the "Andy Dalton fukking sucks" storyline that you get bombarded with every time you talk about him on the internet, he has statistically improved a fair amount each year. He's still mid-tier at best, but there IS a chance of him improving to that next tier. I just wouldn't bet my team's future on it. I mean, objectively look at the kid's stats and tell me that they're terrible.
He's been solid out the gate and improved every year. He just throws entirely too fukking much(Looking at you Gruden).Yes, he's not an elite QB, but there is a mid tier level of QBs. We're not dealing with Mark Sanchez. He's just a younger, ginger Romo when it comes down to crunch time.
However, the fact that Mike Brown came out yesterday and said to the media that they want to give him a deal like the one Kaep got, that was famously broken down and shown to be worth really around 15 a year, I feel as though that means Andy's camp wants and believes he's worth more.
In that case, prove it. Go out there this season and prove it. There is absolutely nothing advantageous to signing him before the season. If you are scared of him "proving it" and actually developing into a QB that wins a couple playoff games, or actually brings this remarkably talented team to the SB because you're scared of paying him Flacco money, you shouldn't. The difference between us and the Ravens is we have the cap space to actually pay the man. We will have the core pieces of our team already locked up long term. We've been holding back and saving money exactly for this moment. If he goes out and proves it, awesome. If not, you need to tell him to fukk off and attack the draft again. This team is built to be a huge crutch for a young QB and already is. Dalton does not have a single irreplaceable attribute. He's worth 14-15 a yr right now....I fukking guess, because that's where the market is. But he wants more.
Earn it.
Edit: If you're going to ridicule me for talking about and trying to have a real discussion about my team, even if it is DA BUNGALS, spare me. I love my squad breh