MARVEL's The Falcon and The Winter Soldier Official Thread

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But then again he’s still betraying his character. Why would be do it?

who said it is his decision .. ? if you need a transfusion to save your life (after risking your life to save others) it's highly unlikely that you will be conscious enough and sound of mind enough to make that call.

but you will get it from the pure source not the new "make you crazy" chemical stuff.
 

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who said it is his decision .. ? if you need a transfusion to save your life (after risking your life to save others) it's highly unlikely that you will be conscious enough and sound of mind enough to make that call.

but you will get it from the pure source not the new "make you crazy" chemical stuff.
The serum itself doesn’t make you crazy. At least I don’t believe so. It’s about the person who as it. It’s like the mask lol. It amplifies who you are.

And I don’t think he should get it just from a story standpoint. Making him captain America without the enhancements and making him successful at it just makes Sam a better hero and a more interesting hero. It truly makes him Steve’s “next up”
 

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The serum itself doesn’t make you crazy. At least I don’t believe so. It’s about the person who as it. It’s like the mask lol. It amplifies who you are.

And I don’t think he should get it just from a story standpoint. Making him captain America without the enhancements and making him successful at it just makes Sam a better hero and a more interesting hero. It truly makes him Steve’s “next up”

It's like crack....

That's why the Power Broker is somewhere like........

 

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The serum itself doesn’t make you crazy. At least I don’t believe so. It’s about the person who as it. It’s like the mask lol. It amplifies who you are.

And I don’t think he should get it just from a story standpoint. Making him captain America without the enhancements and making him successful at it just makes Sam a better hero and a more interesting hero. It truly makes him Steve’s “next up”

Giving him an unquantified boost (but not Cap levels) actually would be better than what you suggest.

Sort of like Black Widow levels or a bit more in terms of what he will be able to do physically.

Falcon's previous levels are not enough, compounded by the fact that the MCU chose to explicitly emasculate him several times (when they didn't have to do it).

Falcon was introduced and developed over 5 years as a side-man. Not just as a 2nd level hero like Ant Man or Vision but as a 3rd level side-man.

"How come everybody else got thousand-dollar chips...

...black man got a nickel? -I don't know.

How did that happen?"

- Chris Tucker
Rush Hour
 

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Giving him an unquantified boost (but not Cap levels) actually would be better than what you suggest.

Sort of like Black Widow levels or a bit more in terms of what he will be able to do physically.

Falcon's previous levels are not enough, compounded by the fact that the MCU chose to explicitly emasculate him several times (when they didn't have to do it).

Falcon was introduced and developed over 5 years as a side-man. Not just as a 2nd level hero like Ant Man or Vision but as a 3rd level side-man.

"How come everybody else got thousand-dollar chips...

...black man got a nickel? -I don't know.

How did that happen?"

- Chris Tucker
Rush Hour
But again you’re still erasing character shyt for the sake of seeing cool comic book shyt
 

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erm nope. you said "choose". i showed "no choice".

you ignored what I showed.

that's real world comic book shyt.
And I’m saying as as writer it doesn’t make sense to do that. That’s still a writing choice. It makes more sense to just let him rock without that shyt and be a different breed of captain America rather than trying to be Steve ish. Gotta make his own path. And part of that path would be no serum.

I didn’t ignore what you said I’m saying it makes no sense from a writing standpoint. :hubie:
 

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"The serum amplifies everything that is inside. So, good becomes great. Bad becomes worse. This is why you were chosen.....
...Because a strong man, who has known power all his life, will lose respect for that power. But a weak man knows the value of strength, and knows compassion."

-Dr. Abraham Erskine
Not a perfect solider, but a good man.....
 
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And I’m saying as as writer it doesn’t make sense to do that. That’s still a writing choice. It makes more sense to just let him rock without that shyt and be a different breed of captain America rather than trying to be Steve ish. Gotta make his own path. And part of that path would be no serum.

I didn’t ignore what you said I’m saying it makes no sense from a writing standpoint. :hubie:

He has been compared and contrasted with Steve (and deemed worse) by the MCU all along. That Steve-ish -ness that you refer to afflicts him because the MCU wrote it that way. Yet somehow you suggest that what they write has to make sense to you.

"When do we start [boss]"
"I need a new set of lungs"
"Don't look at me. I do what he does only slower. [I just follow him]"
"Because people that shoot at you eventually shoot at me [lack of agency]"
"Do you people even eat"
"How do I know who the enemy is." - "Because they are shooting at you" doofus.

Defeated by Bucky in 10 seconds. TWICE!!!

Always taking side-man positions and poses on screen.

Walker even called him Cap's "wingman"..

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Black Widow has been depicted as not being super-human while performing mildly superhuman feats.

This has not marked her out as being Steve-ish or super-ish.

The MCU's approach (so far) has been to avoid addressing it and to leave it as an open question.

They are quite capable of doing the same thing with Falcon.

He has to find some way to get over his side-man status after all.

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As a (singular) writer you are not the arbiter of what makes sense or not. There is no constraint on the MCU to dovetail with your sense of what makes sense.

It's irrelevant.

Did the MCU's track history of making him a side-man make narrative sense to you?

Yes: Then the flip up makes no narrative sense.

No: Then what the MCU writes doesn't have to make sense to you.

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I am calling an end to responding to the side-man supporting twaddle.

Falcon could be readily beaten by any Avenger apart from maybe Hawkeye, so he doesn't have it physically.

He has not shown the character, experience or acumen to lead mentally.

The man with the quip-py jokey snide disposition in Civil War (when adults were talking) is going to be a leader?

Even Rhodes has been developed into a better leader than Falcon.

And then you have the acting.
 

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He has been compared and contrasted with Steve (and deemed worse) by the MCU all along. That Steve-ish -ness that you refer to afflicts him because the MCU wrote it that way. Yet somehow you suggest that what they write has to make sense to you.

"When do we start [boss]"
"I need a new set of lungs"
"Don't look at me. I do what he does only slower. [I just follow him]"
"Because people that shoot at you eventually shoot at me [lack of agency]"
"Do you people even eat"
"How do I know who the enemy is." - "Because they are shooting at you" doofus.

Defeated by Bucky in 10 seconds. TWICE!!!

Always taking side-man positions and poses on screen.

Walker even called him Cap's "wingman"..

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Black Widow has been depicted as not being super-human while performing mildly superhuman feats.

This has not marked her out as being Steve-ish or super-ish.

The MCU's approach (so far) has been to avoid addressing it and to leave it as an open question.

They are quite capable of doing the same thing with Falcon.

He has to find some way to get over his side-man status after all.

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As a (singular) writer you are not the arbiter of what makes sense or not. There is no constraint on the MCU to dovetail with your sense of what makes sense.

It's irrelevant.

Did the MCU's track history of making him a side-man make narrative sense to you?

Yes: Then the flip up makes no narrative sense.

No: Then what the MCU writes doesn't have to make sense to you.

-

I am calling an end to responding to the side-man supporting twaddle.

Falcon could be readily beaten by any Avenger apart from maybe Hawkeye, so he doesn't have it physically.

He has not shown the character, experience or acumen to lead mentally.

The man with the quip-py jokey snide disposition in Civil War (when adults were talking) is going to be a leader?

Even Rhodes has been developed into a better leader than Falcon.

And then you have the acting.

you don’t think standing on his own without that shyt gives him the platform to get over his side man status?
 
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