Mark Zuckerberg planning to localize Facebook salaries as WFH increases

[phcitywarrior]

But you're dealing with completely different timezones. It's really not practical at all to serve your customers on the West coast with employees based in the UK. Not to mention the astronomical costs that would be involved with travel when needed

It won't be all jobs that can be offshored in that manner. For West Coast customers FB could easily look to offshore to Vancouver, Canada which like 150 miles north of Seattle. For East Coast customers it can look at Toronto instead of NY. London might be a satellite office to handle its EMEA operations.

Bigger point is there is talent on par with US employees that can be had at a cheaper rate. If global WFH gets pushed forward then even the well heeled developers in more creative/strategy roles might started feeling the pressure.

 

[GoldenGlove]

This is not really new Mark.

I've been at my gig for 9 years, and for about 8.5 of them I've been working remotely. And yes, your salary is different depending on where you live. It's a joke that a tech/social media company like Facebook would require all of their staff to physically be in the office every day anyway.

 

[GoldenGlove]

Can’t believe people are agreeing with these greedy ass corporations.

When they agreed to pay JaneDoe $150k it made fiscal sense based on the value that she brought in her position. If her WFH in West Bumblefukk doesn’t reduce the value she brings why justify reducing her salary? Especially since you’re likely saving money by not having her come into the office. I can see instituting this policy for new employees applying to WFH in West Bumblefukk since you’re hiring based on the job market, but for an existing employee it’s a major faux pas imo to reduce their compensation for any reasons other than poor employee performance (they no longer deserve the pay) or poor company performance (can no longer afford to pay)

This is common practice in the consulting industry. Everybody position across the nation doesn't get paid the same, because the cost of living is different from city to city.

 

[the bossman]

Anyway, look into getting a VPN router that sits between your ISP and your workstation. Set that shyt somewhere in SF and you're golden. Most employees won't do this... IT departments aren't trying to root out the few employees spoofing their location

So go through a VPN from your ISP to your workstation then you're connecting to another VPN for your job's network. All that overhead is a recipe for poor audio and video call quality when you're in a meeting with folks

This has been one of the best things about working remotely for me for the last 10 years.

Working for a large insurance company remotely in a state/city with a significantly lower COL. Yet my salary is based on when I was hired a couple years out of Uni. My pay and benefits are far beyond what I would get if they weren't based on the East Coast.

A lot of folks been on this wave. Moving down south after a few years. Especially if you've proven to be effective at your job and you've been there for years there's no sense in reducing salary just because you moved. Going to suck if they stop this altogether

 

[desjardins]

They pay so much most employees may not care
Going from 350K in Bay Area to like 250K somewhere else cheaper might be a good trade

My biggest fear with this would be increased globalization at companies that don't pay $350K
It's the 75K job in the cheap COL area that gets outsourced to the phillipines for 20K that I'm worried will become a bigger trend

 

[the bossman]

If you don’t have workers traversing from home to these offices..you got losses potentially for the MTA (Subways & Buses), eateries that service customers along the routes and work areas, loss of tax revenues for NYC proper and the State, etc, etc..I think people underestimate the impact their movements to work have on the economy, you cut that out and a whole bunch of nikkas about to be looking mad max out here soon.

Especially all them little Asian owned cafe spots that had prime locations in those big office buildings. the office worker breakfast/lunch crowd was their bread and butter. Going to be real painful

 

[GoldenGlove]

they can track an IP address of a VPN server to wherever a user places it.

go one step further, an enterprising technician can have a whole bank of raspberry pis or vpn server VM's just for his relatives or friends to have access to a local local san francisco residential IP address. unless facebook does surprise home visits, people will finesse their way around this policy.

My nikka nah.

Imagine spoofing your location like you're still in the Bay Area, but you're actually in Texas or some shyt, and then they ask you to come in the office for some local meeting tomorrow. Dumbasses going to be looking stupid as fukk scrambling for plane ticket.

 

[the bossman]

It won't be all jobs that can be offshored in that manner. For West Coast customers FB could easily look to offshore to Vancouver, Canada which like 150 miles north of Seattle. For East Coast customers it can look at Toronto instead of NY. London might be a satellite office to handle its EMEA operations.

Bigger point is there is talent on par with US employees that can be had at a cheaper rate. If global WFH gets pushed forward then even the well heeled developers in more creative/strategy roles might started feeling the pressure.

There is talent there no doubt. But again Canada is not a big market at all. 1/10th the working population of the US. it's not really practical on a large scale if you're talking high level talent

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

This is common practice in the consulting industry. Everybody position across the nation doesn't get paid the same, because the cost of living is different from city to city.

Yes I understand COL.

I want to be sure that I understand your assertion correctly tho. Are you asserting that if a consultant takes a job whilst living in Chicago to report to the Chicago office and agrees to a salary that he will see his salary decreased if he decides to move to Wichita even tho he still reports to the Chicago office and continues to do the same job working with the same team meeting them at the same customer sites?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I would be like the Costco of WFM companies. As in, I would rebel, and pay everyone as if they living in Cali. Watch how loyal those employees would be to me, I would make the new standard of work and yes, I would make history as some exec that made a difference that benefitted the employees.

Thats how I would be. The CEO of Costco makes only 800k per year and managers of each store make like 100k per year.

As long as you’re not publicly traded...

 

[Conan]

So go through a VPN from your ISP to your workstation then you're connecting to another VPN for your job's network. All that overhead is a recipe for poor audio and video call quality when you're in a meeting with folks


A lot of folks been on this wave. Moving down south after a few years. Especially if you've proven to be effective at your job and you've been there for years there's no sense in reducing salary just because you moved. Going to suck if they stop this altogether

They gon have to deal

 

[phcitywarrior]

There is talent there no doubt. But again Canada is not a big market at all. 1/10th the working population of the US. it's not really practical on a large scale if you're talking high level talent

Correct. But if FB is looking to hire say 5,000 software engineers for a cheap (relative to the US) then Canada can fit that bill well. It can definitely be done at scale within certain functions and teams.

 

[hashmander]

Correct. But if FB is looking to hire say 5,000 software engineers for a cheap (relative to the US) then Canada can fit that bill well. It can definitely be done at scale within certain functions and teams.

facebook's healthcare costs would probably be lower as well.

 

[Rawtid]

And someone else is getting more money for doing the same work as you, this would be like penalizing someones pay because they bought a cheaper house or car so your boss is like you don't need it

Welcome to being black and a woman. When you’re both though...

 

[iBrowse]

You don’t block the camera? I put tape on that bytch unless I need to make a video call.

I only recently started turning the laptop towards the wall whenever I need to head out or chill and watch some tv.

just buy a slider to attach to the front and forward facing cameras.