Mandla Mandela, grandson of Nelson Mandela: "Israel is the worst apartheid regime."

[Moich]

Known variously as the “Jasmine Revolution” or the “Dignity Revolution”, Tunisians from all walks of life had risen up to protest against the corruption and economic stagnation that had seen jobless figures spike to 850,000 in 2011 (up from 600,000 the year before) in a country of 10 million people.

Seven years later, the anger in the streets looks all too familiar. Tunisians demonstrated anew this week after a mother of five set herself on fire. Like many Tunisians, she was unemployed and her welfare checks had stopped a few months ago.

Seven years after Arab Spring revolt, Tunisia's future remains uncertain - France 24
This Tunisia?

Did this fool @19- seriously throw in Tunisia as an example of a peer democracy to Israel ?

Man there is no way an Arab Muslim country will ever be a democracy with the way half the population is subjugated and oppressed using religion and culture.
Gotta get rid of gender apartheid before you call yourself a democracy

 

[Moich]

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[Baka's Weird Case]

Known variously as the “Jasmine Revolution” or the “Dignity Revolution”, Tunisians from all walks of life had risen up to protest against the corruption and economic stagnation that had seen jobless figures spike to 850,000 in 2011 (up from 600,000 the year before) in a country of 10 million people.

Seven years later, the anger in the streets looks all too familiar. Tunisians demonstrated anew this week after a mother of five set herself on fire. Like many Tunisians, she was unemployed and her welfare checks had stopped a few months ago.

Seven years after Arab Spring revolt, Tunisia's future remains uncertain - France 24
This Tunisia?

its a democratic country. whether it is corrupt or not was not the question. the state system is a democracy that has fair and free elections

 

[88m3]

its a democratic country. whether it is corrupt or not was not the question. the state system is a democracy that has fair and free elections

You're using neighbors in a rather broad sense?

Why not India or Pakistan? Iraq? Perhaps Greece? Lebanon?

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

Did this fool @19- seriously throw in Tunisia as an example of a peer democracy to Israel ?

Man there is no way an Arab Muslim country will ever be a democracy with the way half the population is subjugated and oppressed using religion and culture.
Gotta get rid of gender apartheid before you call yourself a democracy

that poster said there were no other democracies in the region. tunisia IS a democracy.

 

[88m3]

that poster said there were no other democracies in the region. tunisia IS a democracy.

Is it in the region?

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

You're using neighbors in a rather broad sense?

Why not India or Pakistan? Perhaps Greece? Lebanon?

i actually excluded lebanon (ive lived there before and know a lot about the countrys political system) because the electoral system has significant trouble seating and keeping presidents and PMs. i also dont think the ethnic and religious nature of representation of the country isnt particularly democratic

 

[88m3]

I suppose they're in the same hemisphere

 

[88m3]

i actually excluded lebanon (ive lived there before and know a lot about the countrys political system) because the electoral system has significant trouble seating and keeping presidents and PMs. i also dont think the ethnic and religious nature of representation of the country isnt particularly democratic

That's seems fair from what I've read.

Pakistan is about the same distance to Israel as Tunisia...

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

Is it in the region?

its an arab nation. so if by region you mean the levant, no. if by region you mean the middle east or arab world, yes.
the implication of the post was clearly not levantine-specific. people constantly use this talking point about the arab world or - even more generally - about the middle east and that poster was also doing so

 

[88m3]

its an arab nation. so if by region you mean the levant, no. if by region you mean the middle east or arab world, yes.
the implication of the post was clearly not levantine-specific. people constantly use this talking point about the arab world or - even more generally - about the middle east and that poster was also doing so

Okay

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

That's seems fair from what I've read.

Pakistan is about the same distance to Israel as Tunisia...

pakistan is vastly different from palestinian society culturally. tunisia has a large amount of cultural differences but also a fair amount of similarities due to arabic heritage. i was using the "region" as in arab world. there are cultural and political similarities due to a history of being governed by the same political body for long stretches of time (ie Ottoman Empire as far as recent history is concerned) that doesnt apply to a nation like Pakistan

 

[88m3]

pakistan is vastly different from palestinian society culturally. tunisia has a large amount of cultural differences but also a fair amount of similarities due to arabic heritage. i was using the "region" as in arab world. there are cultural and political similarities due to a history of being governed by the same political body for long stretches of time (ie Ottoman Empire as far as recent history is concerned) that doesnt apply to a nation like Pakistan

I see.

Pakistan was ruled by the British like Palestine though.


Why leave out Iraq then given their shared Ottaman history, proximity, and being Arab?


I'm not very familiar with the latest elections in Tunisia unfortunately. I think the EU signed off on them but they seem to strongly cater to North African countries as they're in their spheres of influence.

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

I see.

Pakistan was ruled by the British like Palestine though.


Why leave out Iraq then given their shared Ottaman history, proximity, and being Arab?


I'm not very familiar with the latest elections in Tunisia unfortunately. I think the EU signed off on them but they seem to strongly cater to North African countries as they're in their spheres of influence.

i wouldnt leave out iraq. but it is generally considered significantly less democraic than israel and tunisia, which the democracy index classifies as actual democracies

 

[SirReginald]

you know what, motherfukk this tired narrative about "israel is the only democracy in that area"

last time i checked, the same people who push that bullshyt narrative are the ones disenfranchising american citizens' right to vote in our own country we dont give a fukk about their electoral process

Pseudo-Democratic at best with an illusion of democracy (just like the U.S.).