Why are we putting Palestine’s experience over that of Black South Africa’s again?
I don't even know why these dudes are caping for Arabs. Last time I checked, black slavery was outlawed in those parts in the fukn 70s. 
Mandla Mandela, grandson of Nelson Mandela: "Israel is the worst apartheid regime."
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I don't even know why these dudes are caping for Arabs. Last time I checked, black slavery was outlawed in those parts in the fukn 70s. 
these idiots have been in threads like this since the jerusalem announcement
i actually bothered looking it up. an israeli probe into it showed "no evidence" while ethiopian women reported it happened to themNo I'm busy I aint got time for your nonsense either post a legit link to back up YOUR claims or GTFOH...
the israeli apartheid regime or ethiopian women? i know who i believe
ill
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you know what, motherfukk this tired narrative about "israel is the only democracy in that area"
last time i checked, the same people who push that bullshyt narrative are the ones disenfranchising american citizens' right to vote in our own countrywe dont give a fukk about their electoral process
Last I checked the entire world views Israel as democratic and certainly the most democratic of all their neighbors. If you can find another (or better) democracy in that region I’ll paypal you $50
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He's a bytch, who can't argue for shyt so he goes around negging people he doesn't agree with.
its not a democracy. israel controls the lives of millions of palestinians in the occupied territories in every possible way. they have NO democratic input into israeli policy.Last I checked the entire world views Israel as democratic and certainly the most democratic of all their neighbors. If you can find another (or better) democracy in that region I’ll paypal you $50
there are 600,000 jewish settlers in the occupied territories. so the state of israel has basically used these settlers to bring the territories into their state framework.
israeli settlers in the territories can vote in knesset but the palestinians there can not (unless they have israeli citizenship). their borders are determined by a state they have no way to influence democratically. how is israel a democracy?
Do you ask yourself the reason they are in this predicament ?
Arabs keep rejecting statehood.
" UN Resolution 181, the Partition Resolution, passed in November 1947, called for the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in the land which at that point was controlled by the British-run Palestine Mandate. All the Arab countries opposed the resolution, voted against it, and promised to go to war to prevent its implementation. Representing the Palestinians, the Arab Higher Committee also opposed the plan and threatened war, while the Jewish Agency, representing the Jewish inhabitants of the Palestine Mandate, supported the plan."
Then again,
" In the summer of 2000 US President Bill Clinton hosted intense peace talks at Camp David between Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat and Israeli leader Ehud Barak, culminating in a comprehensive peace plan known as the Clinton Parameters, which was similar to the later Olmert Plan, though not quite as extensive.
Despite the vast concessions the plan required of Israel, Prime Minister Barak accepted President Clinton's proposal, while Arafat refused, returned home, and launched a new terror campaign against Israeli civilians (the Second Intifada)."
Yet again, for the third time
" In 2008, after extensive talks, then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert met with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and presented a comprehensive peace plan. Olmert's plan would have annexed the major Israeli settlements to Israel and in return given equivalent Israeli territory to the Palestinians, and would have divided Jerusalem.
Numerous settlements including Ofra, Elon Moreh, Beit El and Kiryat Arba would have been evacuated, and Hebron would have been abandoned. Tens of thousands of settlers would have been uprooted. Olmert even says preliminary agreement had been reached with Abbas on refugees and the Palestinian claim to a "right of return."
There are always two sides to a story, but you conveniently overlook it
Palestinians want the whole of Israel including Tel aviv, Haifa and other solidly Jewish areas given by the U.N to Israel, if you listen to Arabic broadcasts.
What happened to Israel when they withdrew from Gaza?
Should they withdraw from the West Bank, Arabs would bring Israel to a standstill with rockets from Iranians. The security restrictions are there for a reason, Arabs are not Swedes.
Remember according to them, a land once captured by Muslims, always belongs to Muslims, so they claim India, Spain and Israel. This conflict is more than just an ethno religious conflict, its a religious one.
Why the fukk would Indonesians, Pakistanis, Somalis and other Arabs go out on the streets calling for the return of a city that was never theirs ?
first of all your link is broken.Do you ask yourself the reason they are in this predicament ?
Arabs keep rejecting statehood.
" UN Resolution 181, the Partition Resolution, passed in November 1947, called for the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in the land which at that point was controlled by the British-run Palestine Mandate. All the Arab countries opposed the resolution, voted against it, and promised to go to war to prevent its implementation. Representing the Palestinians, the Arab Higher Committee also opposed the plan and threatened war, while the Jewish Agency, representing the Jewish inhabitants of the Palestine Mandate, supported the plan."
Then again,
" In the summer of 2000 US President Bill Clinton hosted intense peace talks at Camp David between Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat and Israeli leader Ehud Barak, culminating in a comprehensive peace plan known as the Clinton Parameters, which was similar to the later Olmert Plan, though not quite as extensive.
Despite the vast concessions the plan required of Israel, Prime Minister Barak accepted President Clinton's proposal, while Arafat refused, returned home, and launched a new terror campaign against Israeli civilians (the Second Intifada)."
Yet again, for the third time
" In 2008, after extensive talks, then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert met with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and presented a comprehensive peace plan. Olmert's plan would have annexed the major Israeli settlements to Israel and in return given equivalent Israeli territory to the Palestinians, and would have divided Jerusalem.
Numerous settlements including Ofra, Elon Moreh, Beit El and Kiryat Arba would have been evacuated, and Hebron would have been abandoned. Tens of thousands of settlers would have been uprooted. Olmert even says preliminary agreement had been reached with Abbas on refugees and the Palestinian claim to a "right of return."
There are always two sides to a story, but you conveniently overlook it
Palestinians want the whole of Israel including Tel aviv, Haifa and other solidly Jewish areas given by the U.N to Israel, if you listen to Arabic broadcasts.
What happened to Israel when they withdrew from Gaza?
Should they withdraw from the West Bank, Arabs would bring Israel to a standstill with rockets from Iranians. The security restrictions are there for a reason, Arabs are not Swedes.
Remember according to them, a land once captured by Muslims, always belongs to Muslims, so they claim India, Spain and Israel. This conflict is more than just an ethno religious conflict, its a religious one.
Why the fukk would Indonesians, Pakistanis, Somalis and other Arabs go out on the streets calling for the return of a city that was never theirs ?
secondly none of what you said makes sense in response to my point. assuming that the arab outrage over the UNs decision to give palestinian land to Israel was invalid (it wasnt but im going to pretend so for argument) it doesnt answer the question of why palestinians in the occupied territories have no right to vote if israel is a democracy. does a good democracy determine the food and water resources of an entire population without giving them the right to vote on representation in that government? is that really democratic? because thats what that poster was discussing
palestinians should want all the land the UN gave to israel. why wouldnt they? the UN was only able to give the land to israel because britain was an imperial power and colonized it. do you think colonial authority is legitimate
Why are we putting Palestine’s experience over that of Black South Africa’s again?
who said we were?
btw tunisia is a democracy. they had free and fair parliamentary elections in 2014. you sending me my $50?Last I checked the entire world views Israel as democratic and certainly the most democratic of all their neighbors. If you can find another (or better) democracy in that region I’ll paypal you $50
first of all your link is broken.
secondly none of what you said makes sense in response to my point. assuming that the arab outrage over the UNs decision to give palestinian land to Israel was invalid (it wasnt but im going to pretend so for argument) it doesnt answer the question of why palestinians in the occupied territories have no right to vote if israel is a democracy. does a good democracy determine the food and water resources of an entire population without giving them the right to vote on representation in that government? is that really democratic? because thats what that poster was discussing
palestinians should want all the land the UN gave to israel. why wouldnt they? the UN was only able to give the land to israel because britain was an imperial power and colonized it. do you think colonial authority is legitimate
Because they have their own Palestinian authority, they can vote their and engage in civil governance.
Israel does not determine the food and water resources of all the Palestinians, that is an exaggeration. The do control parts of the West Bank like area C as per Oslo.
Your'e wrong, Britain did not give the land on a silver platter to the Jews, before the state of Israel was created, Jewish individuals purchased land from Arabs and areas like Jerusalem had a Jewish majority population way back in 1860's, migrants were streaming into Eretz Israel. Jews had an unbroken habitation in Israel/Palestine way since they were exiled by the Romans from their land. All Jews in the diaspora faced towards Jerusalem while praying for millennia, and every Jew sings the phrase " next year in Jerusalem" during pass-over. You make it like Jews are like some colonials with no prior history in this land usurping the natives - like Brits in Australia or Spaniards in Latin America - instead of the returning indigenous people they are, who were long dispossessed of their land. The history and presence of Jews in the holy land is well attested in history and in the Bible, even the Quran says the land was promised to them.
Arabs dispossessed so many peoples in the Middle East and North Africa of their ancestral land -- Copts in Egypt, Berbers in North Africa, Kurds, Iranians, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, Assyrians, etc, Palestine its self was conquered and settled by the Arabs under the caliph Omar, they are indigenous to the Arabian Gulf not the Levant, they took over these lands when their empire was popping and now the shoe is in the other foot, the Indigenous people have the upper hand, they are bytching, whining and resorting to call the original inhabitants invaders, chutzpah.
Jews were basically reconstituting their ancient homeland, which they yearned for two millennia, their time had come. After suffering enormously in diaspora for all these years you can't be mad if they have their day in the sun.
the palestinian authority is not a state with similar power or self determination. in gaza israel has used specific calorie counts to prevent more food then they want to enter during the blockade. and palestinian water access is entirely controlled by Israeli occupation as per Oslo II, they retained all the water resources.
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i am not ignorant of the religious and historic connection of jerusalem to the jewish people. the jews also conquered and expanded their territory during the canaanite wars, taking over much of what zionists claim as israeli territory today. i know there is a religious and historical connection between jews and jerusalem (and palestine in general). that does not justify the establishment of the state of israel. also those land purchases youre talking about happened during periods where the ottoman empire "ruled" over palestine (moreso muhammad ali and britain), its not like palestinian arabs were selling huge swaths of land to jewish buyers.
theres also a huge difference between nonzionist jews who were immigrating to jerusalem throughout the centuries prior to the twentieth and those who came with the intention of establishing a jewish state in terms of their willingness to adapt to the culture present at the time of their immigration (a lot of jews in the early-mid nineteenth century were immigrating to jerusalem to prepare for what they thought was the imminent end of the world) the "ongoing habitation" youre talking about wasnt an issue until zionists came en masse with the intenion of developing their own state and culture in palestine. jews had lived in palestine during caliphates and the ottoman empire for centuries before and faced drastically less persecution than in europe.
does the state of israel constitute a "day in the sun" for the jewish people? i dont think it does. jewish people all over the world face anti-semitic hostility as a byproduct of the state of israels actions. i actually do want what i view as best for jewish and palestinian people, which is a state where they both have citizenship in a territory they each have historic claims to. the current dynamic which you view as positive for jews and israelis, in reality, breeds hostility on all sides
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Known variously as the “Jasmine Revolution” or the “Dignity Revolution”, Tunisians from all walks of life had risen up to protest against the corruption and economic stagnation that had seen jobless figures spike to 850,000 in 2011 (up from 600,000 the year before) in a country of 10 million people.
Seven years later, the anger in the streets looks all too familiar. Tunisians demonstrated anew this week after a mother of five set herself on fire. Like many Tunisians, she was unemployed and her welfare checks had stopped a few months ago.
Seven years after Arab Spring revolt, Tunisia's future remains uncertain - France 24
This Tunisia?