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No more PAWGs, PLEASE??!!!??
I put great as my vote but this scene is where I can say mid. You mean superman couldn't do a convincing 50 yard dash to save his dad?
Man of Steel Steel (2013) Let’s settle this. Was it great or not?
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Saysumthinfunnymike
VOTE!!!
It was the middle of a twister. Pops said "no, they won't understand you, they aren't ready" and pops was right. Superman had to jump through hoops to gain their trust.
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No more PAWGs, PLEASE??!!!??
My
self could've got to my dad in that time.He had time to stop, watch his dad tell him not to come and watch him die. That's at least 20 seconds. More than enough time.
Saysumthinfunnymike
VOTE!!!
My
He had time to stop, watch his dad tell him not to come and watch him die. That's at least 20 seconds. More than enough time.
In a twister? Where people are clinging to things so not to be swept away in it? I think you're nitpicking and if we are going to nitpick then we can find A LOT of shyt in every comic book movie.
T'Challa Trillmonger
All Star
i don't think he has to be morally grey either, but i think the days of the "all-american" superman are behind us
even steve rogers (cap america) subverted a lot of the nationalism/patriotism propaganda thats embedded in the character, and its only until those stories were told that he became a more likeable and relatable character imo
i think the superman animated series into JL/JLU was the best and most balanced depiction of superman imo - he wasn't as dark as batman, still an optimistic guy, but can get stern if he needs to be, and isn't a puppet of the government just because he wants to play nice (on some dark knight returns shyt) ... the scene where he explained to darkseid that he's been holding back is always how i saw the character:
i think his stories can be very compelling if written well, the idea of absolute power not corrupting him is part of the tenants of why he is supposed to be the blueprint for superheroes ... but i think you can humanize him by actually delving into how he manages those ideals in contrast to the shyt he sees in the world
there's a healthy medium between naive, happy go lucky superman vs dark emo superman ... JL/JLU captured that imo, he never felt like someone who was only beholden to US interests, but he also wasn't some gritty guy - he has moments of brooding/introspection but he always puts on for the people, yet he isn't naive enough to trust lex, details like that
i still think if DC just replicated the superman/batman animated series into live action it would address so many of their issues in terms of character building
The OG Superman movie is one of my favorite movies of all-time, and still head and shoulders above any other comic book movie to me...
...this movie comes pretty close, I loved it. Top 5 comic book flick.
...this movie comes pretty close, I loved it. Top 5 comic book flick.
Json
Superstar
I’m not saying anyone needs to change their mind. Like what you like. But just to understand the problems in story construction is makes a strong point to understanding
But this video is probably the best breakdown of the writing problems I’ve seen. It’s long so I put the time stamps in. But it’s worth it.
The problems with the destruction of Krypton is stuff even I didn’t think about
00:00:00 - Intro: 00:02:22 -
Into The Snyderverse: The DCEU Origin Story
00:07:02 - Rewriting History: The Destruction of Krypton and Superman’s Mythos
00:21:10 - Meet The Kents: Superman’s Character and Family Matters
00:38:46 - Unintelligent Design: General Zod’s Not-So-Master Plan
00:59:07 - Mindless Destruction: Collateral Character Assassination
01:28:49 - Ground Zero: The Final Showdown at Rock Bottom.
But this video is probably the best breakdown of the writing problems I’ve seen. It’s long so I put the time stamps in. But it’s worth it.
The problems with the destruction of Krypton is stuff even I didn’t think about
00:00:00 - Intro: 00:02:22 -
Into The Snyderverse: The DCEU Origin Story
00:07:02 - Rewriting History: The Destruction of Krypton and Superman’s Mythos
00:21:10 - Meet The Kents: Superman’s Character and Family Matters
00:38:46 - Unintelligent Design: General Zod’s Not-So-Master Plan
00:59:07 - Mindless Destruction: Collateral Character Assassination
01:28:49 - Ground Zero: The Final Showdown at Rock Bottom.
King_Kamala61
:mjlit: Nasty Brehz :mjlit:
I'm struggling to watch and finish the Superman film. It's predictable as fukk and I'm only 20 mins in.
ORDER_66
I am The Wrench in all your plans....
its good better than i thought...
trust me lex luthor fukking THE HIGHLIGHT of the movie... 
Mission249
All Star
This video is absolutely spot on about everything wrong with the movie. Even brought up stuff I didn't think about like Krypton's destruction being stupid compared to even the cartoons. Great quote from the video: "Characters can only be as smart as their writers"
Love that he brought up the explicit Dragonball Z influences, because I always thought the movie's fans ignored its flaws because they were too hyped on DBZ style fights.
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Veteran
Love this movie. Only the hurricane scene is 
. That should've been shot and edited in a different way
. That should've been shot and edited in a different wayJson
Superstar
The DBZ thing was funny cause wishing people back to life and collateral damage is one of the main things they always talk about before they fight. I had forgotten about that.
The fact Krypton has planet terraforming means they never should have been mining their own planet in the first place. Bad writing choices.
And I loved the Zod message scene but contrasting it with GOTG2 made me realize it made no sense for him to start out threatening the only person who had what he needed instead of coming in like EGO did as benevolent.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
The problem with superman is the recent fans thought and think. People before batman by burton liked dc.
When people before batman by burton and timm. People grew to fukkin hate superman and batman.
They gave us the superman.
we asked for in mos.
The superman that makes rational sense. They even added in a bit of damage control style psychology. Do your homework on marvel damage control. As marvel before they got dumb as fukk and ruined themselves understood. hypothetically and alternatively what a superman stule property needed and lacked. Where this superman.
needed a bit of marvel psychology. [ case in point bryne moving to dc. to relaunch superman and failing. By giving bryne to much free reign without jim shooter from marvel there to reign it in. Case in point bryne ruined marvel and those effects still play out to this day. By inept execs. Who really never did discovery of their ip. Past a highlighted potential spreadsheet itemization line. That illustrates possible profit. I am the only person on this forum. Or the world. that illustrated why the mcu would fail.
following ideals from bryne as well. While you all lamed out. Evident here:https://www.thecoli.com/threads/why-wanda-vision-could-spell-the-beginning-of.826332/ ]
in places to be good or even liked. Including mechanics of what people liked and wanted
over the dead drawing years of superman post adam west and donner films. Superman was killed and batman's back was broken and phased out.
by inept ass dc. All because they kept making superman and batman content. People loathed and hated besides elseworld non cannon dc content like dark knight. That eventually dc had to take.
the bended wounded knee and start incorporating.
to fix that which people loathe and still can not fix it. Even with jim lee at the helm at dc.
The only people complaining. Is a bunch of kids who watched a generically abstract drawn tim cartoon. Trying to speak up. Not knowing they fighting for a character.
no one liked.
or likes at all. Then trying to be mad. Superman was fixed.
finally how the public asked.
In every way the public asked.
They explained.
why is supes a simp.
for this middle of the road wack combative bytch in lois lane. They explained that finally.
They explained the public being victimized.
while supes saved the day. Plus realistically the destruction.
They showed us the krypton on the editing room floor from the donner flick. But way fukkin better.
Where we finally get to see.
why the chest symbol stands for hope.
Zod actually attacks and tries to take over frfr. To replace the silly shyt.
to take donner's vision from him.
that was made for the public in the superman donner films. To try to steal box office residual etc.
from donner on superman one and superman two. Plus ruining superman in the future.
Where people are growing more hate for superman.
The only critics giving mos bad ratings.
were people with disconnect about superman and his permeation and convincability. From the batman meets burton and tim cartoon era.
Dc is lucky dragonball z was picked up in their gen.
If it was not. The idea of superman as a draw would be completely dead.
The only saving grace for superman is cartoons. Of different content variables.
that amalgamated superman. If not for that. The public would have a complete hate hate for superman entirely. after being given campy ignorant ideas of superman and batman before you or i was born. Leading into abstracted tim cartoon version of superman. That was also cancelled. Plus is generally never regarded by dc's own brass.
Mos is exactly the superman.
that should have been made. Given what occurred. If you were trying to launch.
a movie to create intrigue for superman. That would be a dead draw completely. If not for some adam west batman post burton and tim era cartoons. Where those people who watched a certain era of cartoons. Do not realize. They only got those cartoons. To rehab what was fukked up. Plus was written in a way.
to cultivate and try to seed a fanbase. That has complete disconnect. To what the real public feels about superman.
Superman was not liked before burton batman. Anyone like oh superman needs to save every cat to katydid. Plus being a Simp.
Silly superman lacks psychology conflict resolution. Like superman has a new power. His s turns into a plastic handcuff resolution. Where shyt is campy like adam west batman. Is not the real ideal of how superman is taken.
as a character to the rest of the world given trash superman. outside of post burton batman and tim cartoons.
Art Barr
When people before batman by burton and timm. People grew to fukkin hate superman and batman.
They gave us the superman.
we asked for in mos.
The superman that makes rational sense. They even added in a bit of damage control style psychology. Do your homework on marvel damage control. As marvel before they got dumb as fukk and ruined themselves understood. hypothetically and alternatively what a superman stule property needed and lacked. Where this superman.
needed a bit of marvel psychology. [ case in point bryne moving to dc. to relaunch superman and failing. By giving bryne to much free reign without jim shooter from marvel there to reign it in. Case in point bryne ruined marvel and those effects still play out to this day. By inept execs. Who really never did discovery of their ip. Past a highlighted potential spreadsheet itemization line. That illustrates possible profit. I am the only person on this forum. Or the world. that illustrated why the mcu would fail.
following ideals from bryne as well. While you all lamed out. Evident here:https://www.thecoli.com/threads/why-wanda-vision-could-spell-the-beginning-of.826332/ ]
in places to be good or even liked. Including mechanics of what people liked and wanted
over the dead drawing years of superman post adam west and donner films. Superman was killed and batman's back was broken and phased out.
by inept ass dc. All because they kept making superman and batman content. People loathed and hated besides elseworld non cannon dc content like dark knight. That eventually dc had to take.
the bended wounded knee and start incorporating.
to fix that which people loathe and still can not fix it. Even with jim lee at the helm at dc.
The only people complaining. Is a bunch of kids who watched a generically abstract drawn tim cartoon. Trying to speak up. Not knowing they fighting for a character.
no one liked.
or likes at all. Then trying to be mad. Superman was fixed.
finally how the public asked.
In every way the public asked.
They explained.
why is supes a simp.
for this middle of the road wack combative bytch in lois lane. They explained that finally.
They explained the public being victimized.
while supes saved the day. Plus realistically the destruction.
They showed us the krypton on the editing room floor from the donner flick. But way fukkin better.
Where we finally get to see.
why the chest symbol stands for hope.
Zod actually attacks and tries to take over frfr. To replace the silly shyt.
to take donner's vision from him.
that was made for the public in the superman donner films. To try to steal box office residual etc.
from donner on superman one and superman two. Plus ruining superman in the future.
Where people are growing more hate for superman.
The only critics giving mos bad ratings.
were people with disconnect about superman and his permeation and convincability. From the batman meets burton and tim cartoon era.
Dc is lucky dragonball z was picked up in their gen.
If it was not. The idea of superman as a draw would be completely dead.
The only saving grace for superman is cartoons. Of different content variables.
that amalgamated superman. If not for that. The public would have a complete hate hate for superman entirely. after being given campy ignorant ideas of superman and batman before you or i was born. Leading into abstracted tim cartoon version of superman. That was also cancelled. Plus is generally never regarded by dc's own brass.
Mos is exactly the superman.
that should have been made. Given what occurred. If you were trying to launch.
a movie to create intrigue for superman. That would be a dead draw completely. If not for some adam west batman post burton and tim era cartoons. Where those people who watched a certain era of cartoons. Do not realize. They only got those cartoons. To rehab what was fukked up. Plus was written in a way.
to cultivate and try to seed a fanbase. That has complete disconnect. To what the real public feels about superman.
Superman was not liked before burton batman. Anyone like oh superman needs to save every cat to katydid. Plus being a Simp.
Silly superman lacks psychology conflict resolution. Like superman has a new power. His s turns into a plastic handcuff resolution. Where shyt is campy like adam west batman. Is not the real ideal of how superman is taken.
as a character to the rest of the world given trash superman. outside of post burton batman and tim cartoons.
Art Barr
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Trash ass movie