Lyndon B. Johnson was the GOAT president for Black people

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Worth noting that Lincoln only freed slaves in the rebelling states (which he didn't have control of whatsoever ) and he was cool with enslaved people keeping their status in the union states (which he had complete control of).


It would be like a modern day American president deciding that the American poor should get resources, but allocating the wealth of Canada or Sweden to the American poor .

Luck was on his side.Had the war been a stalemate or a loss, then both the north and the south would've been enslaving folks until the 1900s.

A lot of fallacies in your argument but as far as Lincoln not having control of the rebelling states but having control of the union states, what exactly are you saying? He was the president, he lawfully had control of all of the states. If we want to delve deeper into it, the underlying reason behind wanting the slaves to go free was money.

Another fallacy in your argument is that Lincoln didn't want to see the slaves go free in the north. Well if by your own admission, he had complete control in the north, then why didn't he let slavery remain an institution after winning the war? If he was pro slavery in the north, why didn't he keep slavery in the north?

I think what gets lost in these discussions is that a lot of these decisions were made for monetary reasons, true, but there was an element of justice in there. It wasn't overwhelming but it was there. There were multiple US presidents who went on record before 1865 and declared that they found slavery to be... distasteful

Your next question would probably be, if they found slavery to be so wrong, why didn't they abolish it? They were president.

And that conversation gets into how the power of the president is often times limited to what he has the political capital to do. To give you a recent example, Obama was very forthcoming about his desire to see police departments change and rid themselves of racism both systemic and otherwise.

But he didn't have the political capital to tackle that no matter how much he would have wanted to. Presidents are not kings and sometimes, most times, they have to speak on things but kick them down the road to a future president who has the political capital to make such a huge nation altering change.

My point being, Lincoln wasn't the first president to want to see slavery abolished but he was the only president who had both the political capital and WILL to risk seeing the nation be completely torn apart over it. As you said, it was risky because what if the union lost? Not many people would have been willing to stake their life, their legacy on that, and I wouldn't blame them. And with that being said, it did wind up costing him his life.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

I love you brother but he didn't say "nothing". He said it did more. And he's right.

Civil rights acts installed more handicap ramps than saved black lives, in effect and spirit.

Being able to vote and have control over our own cities and towns is a huge thing. Yall don't know history and you don't realize how life was for black people pre the civil rights movement. I personally fall on the side of our communities were stronger before integration. However id be a fool to say that integration didn't knock down doors for us as far as being able to shop where we need to shop, get gainful employment to support ourselves and our families and it opened the door for us to be in charge of things that control us, political positions even all the way to the presidency, being able to be over state universities and companies that enable at least some wealth to flow to our community. And that ain't even mentioning the fact that lynching were a norm before integration and these devils were forced to toe the line. You think the stuff the police do is crazy. Back in those days, regular white folks were attacking and terrorizing black people with impunity.

 

[RageKage]

Yep, republicans have been trying to destroy these programs ever since. #BigMad

 

[Da_Eggman]

lot of the stuff he did was JFKS plans to be fair

 

[Dr. Acula]

The Civil Rights Act did more for Nigerian Americans, such as yourself.

Many of these policies are still anti-black and coded in ways that oppress Black Americans.

Look into CRT before speaking so openly about a racist CAC who cared more about his political career than anything remotely related to black people.

Ugh. Lazy thinking and cynicism.

Basic fact is the average black American has more opportunities and ability to gain wealth than folks who had to grow up under government enforce second class citizenship. Black folks today who think we have it as bad or even worse than folks back then are suffering from a first world privilege mind.

Folks on here posting on their cell phones while working in multi racial offices doing their 9-5 while the poorest people, often black folks, were literally starving and suffering from extreme poverty before safety nets were implemented with a lot of the reforms in the 60s and 70s. Things aren't great or even good now but folks always use hyperbole and want to pretend they had it as bad as our ancestors. Remember, our ancestors had to act subservient to whites to such an extent it was viewed as OK for normal everyday white folks to lynch black teenagers for supposedly whistling at a white woman. This was more normal than not compare to now. Black folks still face this shyt from time to time but you have a much much better chance at justice for it than back then. Derek Chauvin in 1960 wouldnt be getting stabbed up in prison.

 

[Fiji Water]

Being able to vote and have control over our own cities and towns is a huge thing. Yall don't know history and you don't realize how life was for black people pre the civil rights movement. I personally fall on the side of our communities were stronger before integration. However id be a fool to say that integration didn't knock down doors for us as far as being able to shop where we need to shop, get gainful employment to support ourselves and our families and it opened the door for us to be in charge of things that control us, political positions even all the way to the presidency, being able to be over state universities and companies that enable at least some wealth to flow to our community. And that ain't even mentioning the fact that lynching were a norm before integration and these devils were forced to toe the line. You think the stuff the police do is crazy. Back in those days, regular white folks were attacking and terrorizing black people with impunity.

Okay, but those acts were also codifed and over time it stopped being about civil rights for black people and became civil rights for every other group.

There are many more laws that work against black folks than for them. Much of black success is in spite of the law in general, not because of it.

 

[Geek Nasty]

I hear you but as crazy as it sounds, if Lincoln hadnt stood on business and was willing to go to war, these devils would have tried to keep us in slavery longer.

Maga love you some Lincoln

 

[Geek Nasty]

If it wasn’t for cosigning the Vietnam war he would have gone down as a great President

 

[UnQuantized]

Considered among the worst by historians

 

[Fiji Water]

Ugh. Lazy thinking and cynicism.

Basic fact is the average black American has more opportunities and ability to gain wealth than folks who had to grow up under government enforce second class citizenship. Black folks today who think we have it as bad or even worse than folks back then are suffering from a first world privilege mind.

Bro, having it "as bad" is irrelevant. We don't need to be praising patently racist white people during black history month or ever.

On top of that...You got states offering reparations packages (and not for slavery) talking about black people today are privileged.

 

[MikelArteta]

I would say JFK

 

[Dr. Acula]

Bro, having it "as bad" is irrelevant. We don't need to be praising patently racist white people during black history month or ever.

On top of that...You got states offering reparations packages (and not for slavery) talking about black people today are privileged.

I still maintain black folks today are privileged minded if they are out here thinking we have it worse than our ancestors. shyt is borderline disrespectful. Talk to your grandparents or people who grew up back then what they had to endure and trust, they will tell you stories of shyt that would make modern folks shake their heads.

What you mentioned in the Second paragraph is a luxurious problem compared to what our ancestors had to face. There weren't even any sort of discussions about reparations even being entertained outside of a select few revolutionary (for the time) minded black folks. Not saying shyt is great but things have improved in some areas for us compared to what our grandparents and folks before them had to deal with. These are just the facts.

Not against talking about current issues but whenever I see shyt like the above, I get a bit agitated. I often see college aged black folks who are way better off than our ancestors saying this shyt and also spouting off disrespectful shyt like "we aren't our ancestors" despite the fact our ancestors fought and died for some of the rights we have today. Spoiled as fukk. This while they got an expensive college education, posting on Twitter form the newest iPhone, and well fed and well dressed spouting this shyt. Just rubs me the wrong way personally.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Okay, but those acts were also codifed and over time it stopped being about civil rights for black people and became civil rights for every other group.

There are many more laws that work against black folks than for them. Much of black success is in spite of the law in general, not because of it.

Where we differ is that I don't have a problem with Hispanics having civil rights too.

In fact I prefer it

What do I look like hoping that other races face the same type of discrimination that we had to face?

So you don't feel that it's wrong, you just want to be a part of the protected class. Nah that don't work for me. I want justice for black people but justice for us doesn't mean that everybody else can't have justice too.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Maga love you some Lincoln

Obama said Lincoln was his favorite president. Is Barry MAGA too? Let me know cause I'll happily add him to our list of members

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

lot of the stuff he did was JFKS plans to be fair

The same Kennedy who was knuckle dragging racial progress and who’s own brother couldn’t guarantee Lorraine Hansberry he could make a moral commitment to civil rights?