Luka Doncic traded to Lakers for Anthony Davis (Shams) He might be hacked?? IDK* ITS REAL DAMMIT

Is this gonna have major ramifications??

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Their internal models had him as overrated? So the on court success was just an arbitrary occurrence in their opinion? lmao

And that bit about team construction is just rubbish because no matter who your superstar is you have to build the roster to fit their strengths and or deficiencies

The Mavs internal thinking on this trade is very shaky

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that take about luka's impact not matching his numbers really stemmed from his first 4 years because his on/off numbers werent all star caliber. but he played great in the playoffs showing his impact there and even though that 22-23 season was a huge disappointment his on/off numbers went up to the highest of his career at +4.9. then last year +9.4, and so far this year +11.0. so even if that was your position based on the start of his career, its outdated.

i feel its less about how good he's been but that they think he wouldnt have improved or even sustained his level of play due to their criticisms of his work ethic and so he wouldnt have been worth the next supermax he was going to get.
 
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I bet the analytics departments of every other team would've had a completely different assessment of Luka.

And I doubt that Nico's decision had much to do with analytics. Look at all the spin they're putting out there about his conditioning and weight.

It's more of a reflection of how many stupid ass people are within that organization. No different to a lot of cats on here whose eye tests have told them that Luka ain't shyt over the years. Look at all the posts in here trying to defend the Mavs' decision of him being expendable. You've even got folks saying the Lakers are taking a "big risk".
 
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that take about luka's impact not matching his numbers really stemmed from his first 4 years because his on/off numbers werent all star caliber. but he played great in the playoffs showing his impact there and even though that 22-23 season was a huge disappointment his on/off numbers went up to the highest of his career at +4.9. then last year +9.4, and so far this year +11.0. so even if that was your position based on the start of his career, its outdated.

i feel its less about how good he's been but that they think he wouldnt have improved or even sustained his level of play due to their criticisms of his work ethic and so he wouldnt have been worth the next supermax he was going to get.
Still an incomprehensibly wild position for them to take.

What's the alternative?

AD will be on the books in 2026 and 2027 at $60m a season.

There's no logical reason why they'd be hesitant to pay a considerably younger and better player, but yet fine with paying AD that kind of money when he's in his mid-30s. Unless, of course, they only plan on keeping AD for 1-2 seasons and then trade him, which would be completely counterproductive to what their aiming to do, and then they could just as easily be stuck with him if he declines rapidly, or they have no choice but to trade him for expirings of players who won't lead them anywhere.

It essentially comes down to either paying Luka that kind of money, or AD, and they chose the latter.
 

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Unless, of course, they only plan on keeping AD for 1-2 seasons and then trade him, which would be completely counterproductive to what their aiming to do, and then they could just as easily be stuck with him if he declines rapidly, or they have no choice but to trade him for expirings of players who won't lead them anywhere.

It essentially comes down to either paying Luka that kind of money, or AD, and they chose the latter.
they would potentially be on the hook for luka's contract for 3-4 years more years than ad's current contract. i think it boils down to them convincing themselves they cant win a title with luka and thinking they have a better shot at winning a title the next 3 years with ad. the thought process as i gather it is they try to win a title the next 2-3 seasons and then they blow it up during the 2027 offseason assuming ad with only a 27-28 player option and kyrie's play are declining. the problem with that is theres no reason for kyrie not to decline his option after this season and demand a 4 year max this offseason unless he really wants to look out for their timeline at his own expense.

either nico will be proven the smartest man in history or the biggest idiot. nba teams try forever to get a mvp caliber player and theyve either convinced themselves that he isnt one or they dont need one.
 
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Injuries & poor conditioning no longer matter. Watch how that energy shifts for other players
Why do you keep trying to force this talking point?

If those other players took their respective teams to the WCF on one playoff run, and then the Finals on another playoff run and averaged nearly 70 games a season since they were drafted, then injuries and conditioning wouldn't matter. Zion hasn't even played one playoff game; Luka has played in 50 of them and there's only a one-year age difference between them. Gon'head and marinate on that.

Nobody is saying that Luka doesn't need to improve his conditioning, but it's a rather meaningless talking point because he's a legitimate #1 option who's had playoff success. In this context, that's all that's relevant.

You not this stupid, so stop killing yourself on this hill.
 
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Why do you keep trying to force this talking point?

If those other players took their respective teams to the WCF on one playoff run, and then the Finals on another playoff run and averaged nearly 70 games a season since they were drafted, then injuries and conditioning wouldn't matter. Zion hasn't even played one playoff game; Luka has played in 50 of them and there's only a one-year age difference between them. Gon'head and marinate on that.

Nobody is saying that Luka doesn't need to improve his conditioning, but it's a rather meaningless talking point because he's a legitimate #1 option who's had playoff success. In this context, that's all that's relevant.

You not this stupid, so stop killing yourself on this hill.
This is where we are in disagreement as it does matter. As he ages it will only get worse If he doesn’t tighten up


We’ve seen countless other great players pay the price later for not maximizing their potential. If 3peat era Shaq can get that work so can Luka.

I’ll take that as a half ass compliment btw :pachaha:
 
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This is where we are in disagreement as it does matter. As he ages it will only get worse If he doesn’t tighten up


We’ve seen countless other great players pay the price later for not maximizing their potential. If 3peat era Shaq can get that work so can Luka.

I’ll take that as a half ass compliment btw :pachaha:
And that's cool if you had the same energy for Shaq, then I should hope you carry the same energy for Luka.

But there's no risk involved for a franchise attaching themselves to players of that caliber. They're generational, and they've proved it. Conditioning can be a voiced concern, but if we're talking about how it relates to other players, who aren't on that level, then how could you possibly keep the same energy with them, let alone expect anyone else to?

Zion's injuries and conditioning have been a detriment to the Pels, whereas barring an actual championship, Luka has acheived and done everything for the Mavs.

It just isn't the same.
 
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