Luka Doncic traded to Lakers for Anthony Davis (Shams) He might be hacked?? IDK* ITS REAL DAMMIT

Is this gonna have major ramifications??

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verbaltelekinesis

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Underrated post?

It's a nonsensical one.

Luka's defense, or this perceived lack thereof, wasn't the reason why the Mavs lost the Finals. Anyone that's trying to claim so doesn't understand hoops. It's low-hanging fruit, when in reality, it doesn't even register on the radar on why Boston beat them. You think that if you perceived his defense to be even average that it would've changed anything in that series? It would've meant Kyrie didn't go MIA on offense? That all the other role players actually provided consistent offense?

The Celtics' defense drowned the life out of the Mavs offense, so much so, that Luka was the only one to keep his head above the surface. I can't possibly fathom why anyone would single out his defense as the reason for why they lost that series, especially when the Celtics only averaged 101 points. It's not as if Boston completely overwhelmed the Mavs with dominant offensive play (their best player couldn't even get it going on the side of the floor). It's that the Mavs offense shyt the bed and couldn't deal with the defense that the Celtics threw at them.

Why put the spotlight on Luka's defense when it was the Mavs lack of offensive production which ended up being their demise?

You even made it worse by saying that it's the same problem you had with Dirk, when he literally ended up winning a title as a centerpiece. And let's be honest here, without that generational whistle that DWade had in the 2006 Finals, this wouldn't even be a talking point.

I don't do back and forth too much, I don't have the patience. So this will probably be my only reply

It's nonsensical for a player to improve his defense after he was literally HUNTED on the defensive end? Forget the series for a second, what happened to wanting to be a complete player? But lets get back to the series, you know what happens if instead of giving up 30 points on defense you give up 15 or 20? That DECREASES the amount of points you have to score offensively. You see the correlation there?

And I do have the same problem with Dirk, because he had no interest in playing defense. What's the threshold for playing D? 25ppg? 30 ppg?

Maybe it's a disconnect in expectations. You see that guy in Avatar? That's the kind of player I expect. Work on your weaknesses, become the best player you can be. There is NO fukkING WAY that Bean has a recognizable weakness at the end of one season and comes back the same player the following year, NOOOOOO!!!!!

You can have the Dirk's and Luka's, I'll stick to the Kobe's and MJ's
 

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I don't do back and forth too much, I don't have the patience. So this will probably be my only reply

It's nonsensical for a player to improve his defense after he was literally HUNTED on the defensive end? Forget the series for a second, what happened to wanting to be a complete player? But lets get back to the series, you know what happens if instead of giving up 30 points on defense you give up 15 or 20? That DECREASES the amount of points you have to score offensively. You see the correlation there?

And I do have the same problem with Dirk, because he had no interest in playing defense. What's the threshold for playing D? 25ppg? 30 ppg?

Maybe it's a disconnect in expectations. You see that guy in Avatar? That's the kind of player I expect. Work on your weaknesses, become the best player you can be. There is NO fukkING WAY that Bean has a recognizable weakness at the end of one season and comes back the same player the following year, NOOOOOO!!!!!

You can have the Dirk's and Luka's, I'll stick to the Kobe's and MJ's
I swear that nikka feels you can’t criticize anything about the nba rn. Like how tf you supposed to be considered an all time great and can’t even play average defense literally all we asking for is average defense and effort
 

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The trade is dumb you could have gotten this same deal at the deadline, or the offseason or let teams know Luka is on the market and extract even more premium offers.

This is some Vince for Alonzo mourning, Eric and Aaron Williams type of :dahell:
At least AD will play for Dallas and has a healthy liver.
 
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I don't do back and forth too much, I don't have the patience. So this will probably be my only reply

It's nonsensical for a player to improve his defense after he was literally HUNTED on the defensive end? Forget the series for a second, what happened to wanting to be a complete player? But lets get back to the series, you know what happens if instead of giving up 30 points on defense you give up 15 or 20? That DECREASES the amount of points you have to score offensively. You see the correlation there?
The Celtics only averaged 101 points on 52 eFG% (the league-average was 55 eFG%).
Their best player played well below expectations on offense.

Not only did Boston struggle to have consistent offensive performances, but their efficiency was below league-average.

Given that, how much emphasis can be put on Luka's defense, or lack thereof, as reason for why the Mavs lost? Was that really the root of the Mavs' issues, or was it the fact that Luka's entire supporting cast didn't perform up to standard on offense? If you take away Game 4, the Mavs only averaged 93 points across the other four games, and yet y'all are putting Luka's defense under the microscope for being the reason why they ended up losing that series.

Marinate on that.
Maybe it's a disconnect in expectations. You see that guy in Avatar? That's the kind of player I expect. Work on your weaknesses, become the best player you can be. There is NO fukkING WAY that Bean has a recognizable weakness at the end of one season and comes back the same player the following year, NOOOOOO!!!!!

You can have the Dirk's and Luka's, I'll stick to the Kobe's and MJ's
Oh please, Kobe didn't need to defend shyt during the three-peat. He and Shaq were historically dominant offensively to the point that whatever they did (or didn't do) at the other end of the floor was inconsequential. They completely demoralized teams on offense, that it took all the life out of their opposition, limiting them from fighting back on the other end. Shaq treated defense with a lick and a promise back then and that didn't stop him from being the best player in the league and stacking up championships. You think he worked on defense and came back a better player on that end during that period?

What happened in the years after that when Kobe failed to go back to the Finals (until they landed Pau)? Where was that defense when Kobe couldn't even get out of the 1st round during that period? What if Kobe ended up in Charlotte, what championship success would his defense brought to that franchise?

That's the problem with y'all cats. You apply this comicbook hero logic to hoops instead of applying reality.
 
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Bill Simmons was saying on his pod a circulating conspiracy theory is the new Mavs ownership wants to eventually move the team to Vegas.
 

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The Celtics only averaged 101 points on 52 eFG% (the league-average was 55 eFG%).
Their best player played well below expectations on offense.

Not only did Boston struggle to have consistent offensive performances, but their efficiency was below league-average.

Given that, how much emphasis can be put on Luka's defense, or lack thereof, as reason for why the Mavs lost? Was that really the root of the Mavs' issues, or was it the fact that Luka's entire supporting cast didn't perform up to standard on offense? If you take away Game 4, the Mavs only averaged 93 points across the other four games, and yet y'all are putting Luka's defense under the microscope for being the reason why they ended up losing that series.

Marinate on that.

Oh please, Kobe didn't need to defend shyt during the three-peat. He and Shaq were historically dominant offensively to the point that whatever they did (or didn't do) at the other end of the floor was inconsequential. They completely demoralized teams on offense, that it took all the life out of their opposition, limiting them from fighting back on the other end. Shaq treated defense with a lick and a promise back then and that didn't stop him from being the best player in the league and stacking up championships. You think he worked on defense and came back a better player on that end during that period?

What happened in the years after that when Kobe failed to go back to the Finals (until they landed Pau)? Where was that defense when Kobe couldn't even get out of the 1st round during that period? What if Kobe ended up in Charlotte, what championship success would his defense brought to that franchise?

That's the problem with y'all cats. You apply this comicbook hero logic to hoops instead of applying reality.
dont Bring Kobe into this nonsense. The lakers were the best team in the West before Pau.

and it only took kobe 4 years to get back to the finals. After starting with Luke Walton as The 2nd best player left from that 04 team

so we not doing that
 
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dont Bring Kobe into this nonsense. The lakers were the best team in the West before Pau.

and it only took kobe 4 years to get back to the finals. After starting with Luke Walton as The 2nd best player left from that 04 team

so we not doing that
I didn't bring up Kobe.

The Lakers weren't the best team in the West before Pau. They were 1st round exit status. Funny how y'all conveniently like to forget that because it doesn't suit your agenda.

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I didn't bring up Kobe.

The Lakers weren't the best team in the West before Pau. They were 1st round exit status. Funny how y'all conveniently like to forget that because it doesn't suit your agenda.

:unimpressed:
The lakers were the 1 seed when Bynum got hurt. I’m not conveniently missing nothing
 
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