Look at the CIA brehs

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A lot :cape: For the most deceitful organization..alot of :cape: For the ones that transport drugs into this country, install puppet dictators, fund weapons to rebel groups, and take out anything PRO AFRICA!

Not even in medieval times would they do this type of phycho logical shyt to detainees...:mindblown:


So all those detainees are terrorists and not innocent Muslims?

 

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stop it slime ,we should support the rethugs who would rather see us in chains.just because dude is in charge does not mean he knew what about their interrogation tactics ,just imagine if he did not micromanage the pentagon
lol. my point was clear. democrats and republicans are both the government. it seems as if you have fallen for the tactic of divide and conquer since you believe that democrats are on your side and republicans are not. dems and republicans both hate you and laugh at people who still think there is a difference between them. it is a true shame when people don't even know whos responsible for their oppression.
 

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A lot :cape: For the most deceitful organization..alot of :cape: For the ones that transport drugs into this country, install puppet dictators, fund weapons to rebel groups, and take out anything PRO AFRICA!

Not even in medieval times would they do this type of phycho logical shyt to detainees...:mindblown:


So all those detainees are terrorists and not innocent Muslims?

:stopitslime:
 

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You'll end up caring when the government puts you in one of those camps for holding a dissenting opinion and torturing you there. When enough people 'dont care' is the moment they bring it right here on our homeland.
stop being an overly dramatic bytch

they didnt put these dudes in a camp for having an opinion - they put them in a camp and kept them awake and put them in cofffins -

they

cut peoples heads off

put people in REAL coffins permanently

and will definitely kill you if you have a different opinion

we arent

sorry but i just aint sympathetic to dudes in ISIS and A Q - fukk them and fukk anyone that supports them by hiding them feeding them or helping them

our government may be a bunch of sonofabytches but they are way better than them sonofabytches
 

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lol. my point was clear. democrats and republicans are both the government. it seems as if you have fallen for the tactic of divide and conquer since you believe that democrats are on your side and republicans are not. dems and republicans both hate you and laugh at people who still think there is a difference between them. it is a true shame when people don't even know whos responsible for their oppression.

youre right in this 100% but i think u were off-base before talkin about how obama is the head of the CIA etc. POTUS's influence/power/control over NSA/CIA/FBI has dwindled and there is just as much evidence suggesting they go about their own business as they wish as there is that POTUS has a legit say in their affairs. sure he makes appointments but thats just for show IMO
 

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I don't understand the issue here...What exactly is the point of this report? To confirm what everyone already knew/suspected was going on? Are we supposed to be mad at the CIA for torturing terrorists and people affiliated/harboring terrorists? Why would any sane human being care about the well-being of someone who wants you dead? :what:

Whether the information gained through these torture tactics was reliable or not, what was the CIA supposed to do to attempt to gain any sort of intel from these suspected terrorists? plant trees, gather them around in a circle and sing kumbaya?:what:
NONE of the beneficial intel the CIA recieved was procured from any of their torture sessions.

You really going to defend rectal ****ing hydration? American "patriots" make me sick

probably not popular here - but i really dont feel like this report or the shyt the CIA did to dudes that were /are terrorists - i dont care

i dont care if a guy was in a box for 18 days not if hes helping a group of guys of dudes slaughter folk or cut off heads or blow shyt up

the shyt other governments do when they get these guys is WAY worse and thats light years better than what the ME govts do when they get them - so frankly by that standard -

who fukking cares ....

It didn't even work!

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...e-report-debunking-m-2014121052948365805.html

Last night, after months of delay, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) released a summary of their classified report on the Central Intelligence Agency's (CIA) post-9/11 Detention and Interrogation Programme. That's government-speak for torture. It was the first public accounting of what that programme actually entailed, and as one of the most controversial topics in Washington, is sure to create a political firestorm on both the left and the right, not to mention around the world, for many months to come.

In short, it was shocking. It was ugly. It should lead no doubt to the reader that the programme was as wrong as it was useless. And it can never be permitted to happen again.

The CIA's torture programme was authorised by then President George W Bush in August 2002, giving them broad discretion in the use of harsh interrogation techniques that included waterboarding, sleep deprivation, hypothermia, stress positions, abdomen strikes, slapping and forced shaking. Its stated purpose was to solicit actionable intelligence that might save American lives. In effect, it gave carte blanche for interrogators to do pretty much anything they wanted from a laundry list of macabre techniques to extract that information. To those behind the programme, the moral question was perversely inconsequential, as they all too readily adopted the Machiavellian philosophy of "the end justifies the means".


Panel votes to declassify CIA torture report
In methodical fashion, SSCI laid out its case through 20 findings and conclusions, followed by detailed supporting chapters tying them all together.

Abysmal failure

Nearly 500 pages in length, it was a mere, yet chilling, fraction of the overall report, which will remain classified. But the message was clear. The torture programme, despite what its supporters claimed at the time, and continue to do so even now, was an abysmal failure and disgrace for the US.

In its very first finding, which set the stage for what was to follow, SSCI concluded the use of torture was not an "effective means of acquiring intelligence or gaining cooperation from detainees". And most disturbingly, right from the beginning, CIA officers routinely called into question the programme's effectiveness in producing accurate intelligence.

Yet, their leadership turned a blind eye to those concerns, ignoring numerous internal critiques, criticisms and objections from those charged with carrying out the grisly day-to-day operations. There were even instances when interrogators were ordered to continue torturing certain detainees who they had already assessed as being cooperative. This is what we call a crisis in leadership - both at the CIA and at the highest levels of the Bush Administration.

Incredibly, of the 20 examples most often used by the CIA to show how successful their torture programme was, all were determined to be fundamentally wrong or misleading. Case in point: In their representations to the White House, National Security Council, Department of Justice, Congress and the American people, the CIA often referred to Abu Zubaydah as "proof" that those methods provided real, actionable intelligence that saved American lives.

Abu Zubaydah as 'proof'

Zubaydah, a senior al-Qaeda figure, was captured in Pakistan in March 2002. Several months later, after the torture programme was authorised, he was subjected to numerous and repeated torture techniques, to include being waterboarded 83 times.

According to former Bush Administration and CIA officials involved in the programme at the time, Zubaydah - as a direct result of his being waterboarded - not only provided information that allowed the FBI to disrupt the Jose Padilla "Dirty Bomb Plot" in Chicago, but also identified Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks.

According to the FBI interrogators, they had developed a rapport with Zubaydah, who was cooperating with them. And yet, the CIA decided to subject him to torture.


There's only one problem with that story. It wasn't true. According to the SSCI report, the FBI actually obtained that information from Zubaydah through legal interrogation techniques between March and June 2002, and provided it to the CIA months before he was ever subjected to waterboarding or any other torture techniques.

According to the FBI interrogators, they had developed a rapport with Zubaydah, who was cooperating with them. And yet, the CIA decided to subject him to torture. Maybe Zubaydah repeated that information as a result of waterboarding, but the official record reflects that it certainly wasn't the first time the CIA ever heard about it. And that's pretty much it when it comes to "actionable intelligence" gained through the CIA's use of torture. None. Nada. Zip. Seriously?

But it gets worse. Beginning with Zubaydah, the first CIA detainee to undergo torture, and continuing on with numerous others, the techniques went on for days or weeks at a time. There were physical beatings, mock executions, sleep deprivations for days at a time while standing with hands chained above their heads, and threats to sexually assault or kill detainees' family members.

One detainee even died, apparently of hypothermia, after being chained nearly naked to a cement floor. Reading the report, one has to ask how the US, or any country for that matter could morally justify what was done. It can't.

The final finding and conclusion was an understatement, in that the CIA's torture programme "damaged the United States' standing in the world". And that's something the US isn't going to get over any time soon. As a longtime global leader in human rights issues, particularly on the subject of torture, the US has lost its moral credibility on the world stage.

Law of the land

The first step in ending the torture programme was accomplished in 2009, when US President Barack Obama signed an executive order banning it shortly after taking office. That's the law of the land in the US right now. However, when Obama leaves office in 2016, there's nothing to stop his successor from authorising it again. Except, of course, the court of public opinion, which is why the release of this report was so important. In a recent Pew Research report, half the US public polled thought torture could be justified sometimes or even often.

The second step happened last night with SSCI's public release of their report summary. No doubt, those who are still in favour the torture programme, particularly the former Bush Administration and the CIA officials closely involved with it, will aggressively refute the facts laid out in SSCI's report. Let them.

Then, it's time to have a frank and informed discussion on the whole torture issue, separating the facts from the myths. The American public and its leaders need to ask themselves if torture is how they really want to be defined. Does the end really justify the means?

After reading the report, one would have to wonder how it could. Torture is wrong, plain and simple. The US needs to reject it outright now, while the report, in all its shocking and macabre detail, is fresh in the public's mind. Otherwise, they'll find themselves going back down that path again the next time fear and panic take hold.


"But it gets worse. Beginning with Zubaydah, the first CIA detainee to undergo torture, and continuing on with numerous others, the techniques went on for days or weeks at a time. There were physical beatings, mock executions, sleep deprivations for days at a time while standing with hands chained above their heads, and threats to sexually assault or kill detainees' family members."

Such patriots eh?

And how about this?

http://www.vox.com/2014/12/9/7360823/cia-torture-roundup/in/7125250

13. At least 26 out of 119 known detainees were wrongfully held
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But I thought all of them were terroists? :heh:
 

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NONE of the beneficial intel the CIA recieved was procured from any of their torture sessions.

You really going to defend rectal ****ing hydration? American "patriots" make me sick
I can careless if the intel retrieved was beneficial...

I'm not defending the CIA nor condoning their actions...

I just don't understand why any sane human being should care about what the CIA does to terrorists that want to slaughter innocent civilians...
 

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I can careless if the intel retrieved was beneficial...

I'm not defending the CIA nor condoning their actions...

I just don't understand why any sane human being should care about what the CIA does to terrorists that want to slaughter innocent civilians...
Because not all of them are?

Again,

They mistakenly tortured two of their former sources who were trying to contact them and provide intel :snoop:
 

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I can careless if the intel retrieved was beneficial...

I'm not defending the CIA nor condoning their actions...

I just don't understand why any sane human being should care about what the CIA does to terrorists that want to slaughter innocent civilians...

Please define "terrorism." I am curious about the moral judgments you're making that gives the CIA the high ground. Especially since they helped create these dudes :heh:
 

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Because not all of them are?

Again,


They mistakenly tortured two of their former sources who were trying to contact them and provide intel :snoop:



again - i shrug

same dudes who are there wouldnt give two shyts about you or black ppl in general

dudes in here whining for the same arabs that once they get a store here in the US they kicking you out or calling you a dog and a leech and lazy and will regard you with just as prejudiced a eye as any redneck whiteman

sorry but i dont have ANY pity for the dudes mentioned in the report who were leaders and coordinators

theyd have done way worse if they had the chance.....and they did
 

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:beli: Just a matter of time before this conduct is normalized, legalized, and extended more fully to apply to American citizens.


"B b b but it was only supposed to apply to them A-rabs"
"B b b but what did I do?"
*gurgle* *scream* faint* from the various amounts of torture the former supporter of torture is subjected to.
 
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