Lone Survivor Discussion... Spoilers
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KevCo
Bond's gun spoke once....
just watched this last night....excellent movie I thought...it was done up a lil for hollywood, like someone said I expected one of the dudes to die when tumbling down the mountain. It hit on so many levels being an american, and what has been happening since 2001. I may watch it again tonight.
rastafarwrite81
Reppin fine wine and cigars!
i posted this on twitter, but after recently finding out that Peter Berg directed this, Taylor Kitsch casting made a lot of sense. As long as Berg has the ability to direct or prodce movies in Hollywood, Kitsch and his limited acting will have work.
otherwise, great movie. really an emotional potrayal of sacrifice and dedication that comes with that job.
otherwise, great movie. really an emotional potrayal of sacrifice and dedication that comes with that job.
Book is most likely embellished, the movie even more so.
The biggest difference between the book and the movie are:
1. In the book they never got eyes on their target, and they were never supposed to kill him...just observe
2. In the book they didn't witness the helicopter crash. in fact, Luttrell had no idea until after he was rescued and at Bagram (or JBAD?)
3. in the book he was paralyzed from the waist down and lost his pants in the firefight. After he woke up he had to climb/fall down the mountain for a day or two before he got found out. He also got shot in the ass at some point during this escape.
4. In the book the the villagers removed the shrapnel from his leg.
5. In the book there was no gun battle in the village. The enemy threatened him, and threw him a beating, but never fired shots.
6. The rescue was done by Rangers on a foot patrol, not a helicopter element. when the rangers showed up they sat down with villagers and had tea. He didn't flat line or almost die on the way back.
2. In the book they didn't witness the helicopter crash. in fact, Luttrell had no idea until after he was rescued and at Bagram (or JBAD?)
3. in the book he was paralyzed from the waist down and lost his pants in the firefight. After he woke up he had to climb/fall down the mountain for a day or two before he got found out. He also got shot in the ass at some point during this escape.
4. In the book the the villagers removed the shrapnel from his leg.
5. In the book there was no gun battle in the village. The enemy threatened him, and threw him a beating, but never fired shots.
6. The rescue was done by Rangers on a foot patrol, not a helicopter element. when the rangers showed up they sat down with villagers and had tea. He didn't flat line or almost die on the way back.
those are the major things I can remember.
What are you talking about? These guys were sent to do a job, they failed, and 3/4 of them were killed? What was so heroic about that?great movie andto the men that died doing their duty. the war may be a lie but their courage is not. they are the ones that do whats necessary so some of you little fakkits can sit behind a computer at home and talk shyt about them and besmirch their memory. those were men with families who died courageously doing their duty. we may not agree with the motive behind the war, i sure as hell dont, but they still have a job to do and they do it bravely without crying.
What the fukk is it with America's recent need to glorify their military failures? First Black Hawk Dawn and now this. Yeah, the SEALs fought until the end. What the fukk else were they going to do? They were fighting for their lives. Wouldn't you fight for your life if someone attacked you? Would that make you a hero?
The fact of the matter is in real life these guys were outmaneuvered, and outfought. It happens. Defeat is a part of war, and these guys are only humans.
But defeat should not be glorified or rewarded. Books and movies like this and Black Hawk Down are the military equivalent of every kid receiving a participation trophy even if his basketball team loses. There used to be a time when people (not just in the military community) understood that. Some still do, and those are people with true warrior spirit, but they are outnumbered 10000-to1 by idiots like you who stand with their chest swelled with pride instead of seeing the puppetmasters pulling the strings.
so it isnt heroic signing up for the military and an elite unit like the navy seals knowing the possibility of dying out there like this is extremely high? they arent heroes for making mistakes while out in the field, they are heroes for even putting themselves in the position they were in. military failure? yes, but those men all knew what they signed up for and still went out there bravely knowing shyt like this could happen. if that doesnt deserve props then idk what to tell u.They deserve props? Perhaps. But what they don't deserve is being raised in death to a status they didn't reach in life. Let's forget about the 'morality' of participating in a war that is not just. It's not even about that.
But if you put aside your patriotism for a bit and think critically you'll realize one thing: Jack Murphy is the first person who received the Medal of Honor for getting himself, 10 other SEALs and 8 other SOAR operators(helicopter guys) killed. And they completely failed their mission. Nevermind that their heroics were exagerrated(according to people in the military/SEAL community) by Luttrell. Why? So the Navy/SEAL higherups can save face? So they can continue the make SOF personnel appear to be superheros? So the jigonistic sentiment - that caused two unjust wars, trillions of dollars of debt and thousands and thousands of people killed, maimed and displaced - can be cultivated further?
I'm not saying Luttrell and the others should be villified or anything, don't get me wrong. They signed up to do a job and they did their best. But I also don't think we should be giving medals/writing books/making movies/naming buildings to reward someone who got themselves and others killed by their negligence.
im speaking about the individuals and their decision to join the military and elite forces within. im not an american patriot and i believe the war is morally wrong and shytty as fukk but these kids die young for their country and the ones that survive still head face first into the fire knowing that death is more than a possibility. THAT deserves props. i agree that the government glorifies shyt to save face believe me, but still, to me, it doesnt take away an ounce from the sacrifice that these guys make.
and yea its negligence but negligence during war where your options are very limited and you have very little time to make decisions is just bad decision making more than anything. you have to appreciate the positions these guys get themselves into and sometimes, in the heat of battle with rockets and bullets exploding around u and ur brothers in arms dropping like flies all around, you have to make an uninformed decision with no time to think. its just the reality of their line of work. sometimes, innocents die and sometimes you shoot your own brothers but their hearts are always in the right place. not like they are going out there and purposefully getting themselves and their partners killed.
i agree
i know most folks here will disagree but you speak the truth, the seals failed thier mission and murphys heroic act led to the death of many others
but its hollywood and american propaganda that gets eat up at the trough especially in this day of call of duty etc.
MenacingMonk
Tranquilo
Dope flick but what's with this Saving Private Ryan debate? It's not touching SPR.
I can't front, I almost shed tears when Marcus thanked dude and his kid.
I can't front, I almost shed tears when Marcus thanked dude and his kid.
A couple things:
* Ben Foster can act his ass off.
* I'm tired of seeing Mark Walhberg in movies. Dude is such an inept actor. Why do I have to keep seeing dude on my screen? Why? I know why, but still, why?
* I can't think of an appropriate term for the violence in this film: the word "gory" is too definite and encompassing a word. I think something more singular would be apropos. But, what whatever that word is, this film is that word to such an extent that no movie I've ever seen rivals it (and I've seen a lot of movies).
* All in all, it's a good movie.
* Ben Foster can act his ass off.
* I'm tired of seeing Mark Walhberg in movies. Dude is such an inept actor. Why do I have to keep seeing dude on my screen? Why? I know why, but still, why?
* I can't think of an appropriate term for the violence in this film: the word "gory" is too definite and encompassing a word. I think something more singular would be apropos. But, what whatever that word is, this film is that word to such an extent that no movie I've ever seen rivals it (and I've seen a lot of movies).
* All in all, it's a good movie.
The film was a decent but lots its way towards the end, it contains possibly the best representation of a fire fight I have seen in a film. Seeing the soldiers tumble down mountain sides was brutal
Damn good flick
I'll just leave it at that cause I'm too lazy to go into further detail
I'll just leave it at that cause I'm too lazy to go into further detail
I enjoyed it but not as much as a lot of people.
One thing I will say is the gun fights in ETX was
One thing I will say is the gun fights in ETX was
Just saw it 
Very good movie, intense as fukk, would have been a classic if not for the last 20 minutes which was pure "Hollywood" and turned into the Mark Wahlberg show.
When they were falling/rollin down the hill
godamn!, perfect illustration of why the U.S military can never defeat the Taliban up in them mountains.
I was
at the end when Wahlberg's character was rescued and the father and kid were left behind, but then they showed the pic with him at the end in the states 
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Ben Foster though
, he was really good in this, easily the best and the standout actor.
Very good movie, intense as fukk, would have been a classic if not for the last 20 minutes which was pure "Hollywood" and turned into the Mark Wahlberg show.
When they were falling/rollin down the hill
godamn!, perfect illustration of why the U.S military can never defeat the Taliban up in them mountains.I was
at the end when Wahlberg's character was rescued and the father and kid were left behind, but then they showed the pic with him at the end in the states .Ben Foster though
, he was really good in this, easily the best and the standout actor.