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Newzz

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do you want to know why? its because the last time i saw lomachenko in a tough fight he lost. and its been going all his way since then. you want to know why he dominated so much in the amatuers? its because his style works very well for the amateur system. its a style that works very, very well against other certain styles. if you are a guy who is prone to covering up, prone to taking turns, he will run you out of the ring. i know that already. and i dont need to be told twice to know which way the the wind is blowing. what i want to know is how he looks against the types of guys that can give him some problems. that will tell me so much more than what you presume i dont already know about lomachenko. thats why these one sided wins dont mean as much to me as they may mean to you.

Ok...but you thought both Rigo & Walters would give him problems breh. They didnt and got treated just like Marriaga did, and you still not giving props:manny:


he wants to set his feet in front of you and feint, steal, and step around. to maintain this range when you come forward he has to move his feet. that is to say when you are coming forward he cant set his feet and when he cant set his feet he cant stand in front of you and feint, steal, and step around.

when he is backing up, he is not punching. so you want to come forward to minimize how much he can set his feet to minimize how much he can punch.

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when he can set his feet you are in hot water.

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can you see the difference?



he has a tendency to step around with his hands down.

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when southpaws turn to their right they turn into the path of an orthodox hook.

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he can get away with this with most guys. but its a dangerous habit. good punchers have a good punchers sense. even the biggest punchers have to know how to sense when and where there are openings. power without a good punchers sense means nothing.

i think walters is good at sensing out when and where there are openings and he can very much catch you with your hand in the cookie jar.



give me some time to think about it.

he is also slippery and tricky so he will probably not just walk into lomachenko counters. there is a little james toney in walters.

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maybe more than a little

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still walters will need to impose himself onto lomachenko. he cant get too cute with his defense. lomachenko throws a lot of punches and walters cant fall in love with just making lomachenko miss. lomachenko is a guy who throws quick little punches. he steals you. hes not a guy who overcommits to his punches. but if walters slipperyness and length can make lomachenko reach and overcommit, he can definitely punish him for it, you are right about that.

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You even compared Walters to James Toney breh. He got punished and Loma gets nothing from you for neutralizing Walters and Rigo.

Its good though. Next Loma fight thread, we'll discuss more:obama:
 

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Ok...but you thought both Rigo & Walters would give him problems breh. They didnt and got treated just like Marriaga did, and you still not giving props:manny:






You even compared Walters to James Toney breh. He got punished and Loma gets nothing from you for neutralizing Walters and Rigo.

Its good though. Next Loma fight thread, we'll discuss more:obama:
when you cover up, take turns, and stand still, you give lomachenko the things he thrives on. so far what his wins all have in common is his opponents doing exactly this. that is partly on lomachenko, and it is partly on them. they cant do these things and expect to win. but if they dont do these things, they have a shot. thats always been my stance on lomachenko, and it still is. as it will continue to be.
 

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selimov never just planted his feet and let loma dance around him
whether it was conscious or not he was doing a good job of dancing with loma
i don't know if rigo simply had old legs now but he was on some different shyt on saturday

rigo usually is damn near hitting eurosteps and stepbacks on fools jahahahahaa

but this time stuck almost exclusively to just bending at the waist and shelling up
i was expecting to see rigo dance toe to toe with loma but his feet were weirdly stagnant while loma was hyperactive

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Rigo is flat footed as fukk exactly why he gets put on his ass vs random jobbers.....
 

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Respect to Loma for doing his thing. I picked Rigo to win & totally didn’t expect him to get dominated & quit. It didn’t matter because of the weight or age, Loma’s the better & more adaptable fighter which got him the W. I wanna see him fight Linares, Garcia, & Easter (his team won’t let him fight Easter). Those are real fights where he’ll be tested
 

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Respect to Loma for doing his thing. I picked Rigo to win & totally didn’t expect him to get dominated & quit. It didn’t matter because of the weight or age, Loma’s the better & more adaptable fighter which got him the W. I wanna see him fight Linares, Garcia, & Easter (his team won’t let him fight Easter). Those are real fights where he’ll be tested
Why wouldn't they let him fight Easter?
 

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Respect to Loma for doing his thing. I picked Rigo to win & totally didn’t expect him to get dominated & quit. It didn’t matter because of the weight or age, Loma’s the better & more adaptable fighter which got him the W. I wanna see him fight Linares, Garcia, & Easter (his team won’t let him fight Easter). Those are real fights where he’ll be tested

Same thing I said.

Id be surprised if they fought.
 

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whered you pull this characterization of lomachenko as a counter puncher from? out of your hat or out of your ass? he isnt one. why dont you watch the fight hot shot. selimov went workrate for workrate with lomachenko, did good bodywork, and tagged him with good shots. all things you keep saying should be impossible. by the way that fight is from 2013. and dont forget that lomachenko was a full grown man fighting in the amateurs. not some kid.

I'm not disputing what occurred in the vid son. I'm simply telling you that Loma lost to this guy in 2007, as an AMATEUR. Loma has since beaten the guy. So whatever Smellymov was doing that worked, Loma has since worked out the kinks in his own game to prevent a repeat of that. And Loma does counter boy. He might just do it too fast for you to notice.

Regardless Loma is #1 So kneel and kiss the ring.
 

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Damn near 6ft LW that knows how to fight tall, has dynamite in his fists, & can fight on the inside? He’s all wrong for Loma

Easter is not that much of a beast right now that he is wrong for Lomachenko.....i thought he lost to both Commey and Shafikov..to me they are on more equal footing than you think
 

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Damn near 6ft LW that knows how to fight tall, has dynamite in his fists, & can fight on the inside? He’s all wrong for Loma
Dude don't fight long at all, that's one of the biggest knocks on him. If he was as proficient fighting long as you think he is he wouldn't have smothered his own work trying to finish Commey when he had him hurt in the 12th. I don't really seeing Easter being much of a factor for Loma in a hypothetical matchup but I doubt they ever fight each other due to both promotional parties at play so its whatever.
 
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ray fought guys that wanted to kill him. lomachenko fought guys that didnt even try to punch.

you wasting your breath, they blinded by the hope

Bob Arum trying to make lomachenko into the white version of mayweather
because in theory that would the biggest ppv draw ever

however, floyd was a true because he was a black, he was hated because he was black, people wanted to see him lose because he was black
so you will never have a white mayweather plus lomachenko already lost

Rigo did nothing

but Loma didn't do anything spectular

he didn't outclass him, if he outclassed him then rigo would've got beaten up or KO'd lmao

rigo was bad to quit its obvious, he ain't has defensive has people say he is, he exchanges a lot

lomachenko is not a boxing wizard, he can't fight pressure fighters, which is why he hasn't been matched against one since he was exposed in the salido fight

he doesn't have the defensive to move up in weight to fight a heavy puncher
and doesn't have the power to hurt them either

marriaga was putting hands on him lets be serious

fight was a snooze fest, lomachenko won't be a boxing star no matter how much dan rafael who is a nobody and rob arum try to prop him up
he don't got it

I challenge anyone to string together 5 gifs of Lomachenko doing something spectacular lmao

he don't have one moment like this


i mean where's this greatness everybody saw, I say boring ass sparing match and rigo taking a dive for some chips for the fam back in cuba
 

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@patscorpio, the Rigo fight is furthering my belief that the Salido fight may have created a monster. Loma wasn't ready to handle cheap shots and being bullied, from that point on we are seeing Loma work cheap shots and being a bully into his repertoire.

I get the debates about a strong pressure fighter giving Loma issues, but he will have to do it with supreme skill, he won't be able to bully Loma. Seems to be a lesson Loma has learned.
 

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you wasting your breath, they blinded by the hope

Bob Arum trying to make lomachenko into the white version of mayweather
because in theory that would the biggest ppv draw ever

however, floyd was a true because he was a black, he was hated because he was black, people wanted to see him lose because he was black
so you will never have a white mayweather plus lomachenko already lost

Rigo did nothing

but Loma didn't do anything spectular

he didn't outclass him, if he outclassed him then rigo would've got beaten up or KO'd lmao

rigo was bad to quit its obvious, he ain't has defensive has people say he is, he exchanges a lot

lomachenko is not a boxing wizard, he can't fight pressure fighters, which is why he hasn't been matched against one since he was exposed in the salido fight

he doesn't have the defensive to move up in weight to fight a heavy puncher
and doesn't have the power to hurt them either

marriaga was putting hands on him lets be serious

fight was a snooze fest, lomachenko won't be a boxing star no matter how much dan rafael who is a nobody and rob arum try to prop him up
he don't got it


I challenge anyone to string together 5 gifs of Lomachenko doing something spectacular lmao

he don't have one moment like this


i mean where's this greatness everybody saw, I say boring ass sparing match and rigo taking a dive for some chips for the fam back in cuba


I kinda agree with it. I do think Loma is elite though, but this is spot on
 
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