LL Cool J: "2Pac Had To Put On A Gangsta Image For The Dudes To Like Him"

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

i think your confusing me with another poster
i didn’t call you any type of disrespectful name

Saying I have a P brain in a debate is name calling to me. Most folk would take it the same way.

 

[Bolzmark]

I think Pac discharged himself by the time Big got there (which wasn't long but Pac feared for his life & bounced against doctors orders) but he & Cease gave his biological pops the hammer that was stashed in the piano back

I 100% agree with you on the second part. Pac might've really believed Big had something to do with it at first but at some point early on he found out the truth & still ran with that false accusation for whatever reason

Nah he was still there. That part was even in the Tupac movie. Possibly could have been one of Pacs entourage that sent him away, but it did happen.

 

[Bigsuk]

Nah he was still there. That part was even in the Tupac movie. Possibly could have been one of Pacs entourage that sent him away, but it did happen.

You right ..... wen that documentary biggie and Tupac came out years ago wen nick Broomfield went to talk to pacs real father he never went into detail what happened at the hospital reguarding biggie .... as we saw pacs dad said he met biggie at the hospital n he said he seemed nice and looked concerned and seemed like he had nothing to do with what had took place but he never went into any more detail as to did biggie see pac at the hospital or was he sent away by the family or the doctors .....

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

it wasn’t a horrible album...it just wasn’t him

it was like LL doing an onyx/treach impression

idk if you remember this vid...even the intro to the vid had me like

when I first seen it



looking @ it almost 30 years later it doesn’t look that bad but @ the time it was a huge transformation for his image/music

i never saw the full video. never saw that intro.

as for the rest of the vid, it registered with me the same way as "mama said knock you out" and it sounds like it. i never looked at it as a wannabe gangsta record

but yea, i see what youre saying with the intro. LOL.

 

[Mac Ten]

After the Malcolm X movie came out, and Public Enemy and Ice Cube making pro black songs in their albums and on movie soundtracks during the end of their hot streaks in late 92, the labels got pissed off and was scared of a pro black wave. Another Black rights movement, even.

Then they pushed Onyx on the east coast, released Menace II Society in hood theaters, and pushed that super thug shyt on the West to greater heights, so that any hope of a black awakening was extinguished. It forced cats like 2 Pac to be hard edged and thuggish instead of being Black Panther-ish, and pushed out P.E. out the spotlight.

It was genius in the sense that it forced young black men to go to jail at record rates, forced those same black men to give up intellectual stimulation for insteant gratification to appeal to broads, and made black women disrespect anything positive from black men. Nearly 30 years later, we have this fukkery ad the norm in mumble music.

Mayne, this still rings true nowadays...

Only difference is that Future and Nba Youngboy are what ladies want now. It's so bad that u have his best friend still fiending for him.


Even while Weeded up, Pac nvr forgot his roots.

How was when M2S was in theaters??

 

[Wild self]

Mayne, this still rings true nowadays...

Only difference is that Future and Nba Youngboy are what ladies want now. It's so bad that u have his best friend still fiending for him.


Even while Weeded up, Pac nvr forgot his roots.

How was when M2S was in theaters??

Summer of 93, I went to see M2S with my older cousins, and it was ratchet fukkery in the form of a revolution. A lot of former African Medallion wearing brehs and brehettes, started cursing, adlibbing the N word, and felt like that movie spoke to their soul. As a kid, it was like sneaking into a big no-no place, but in hindsight it was ALL the wrong messages that the black youth ate up

A lot of people left that movie as changed people, mainly for the worse for the sake of street cred and to be 'real'.

 

[Mac Ten]

Summer of 93, I went to see M2S with my older cousins, and it was ratchet fukkery in the form of a revolution. A lot of former African Medallion wearing brehs and brehettes, started cursing, adlibbing the N word, and felt like that movie spoke to their soul. As a kid, it was like sneaking into a big no-no place, but in hindsight it was ALL the wrong messages that the black youth ate up

A lot of people left that movie as changed people, mainly for the worse for the sake of street cred and to be 'real'.

Damn mayne...

The Hughes Brothers knew what they was doin too. That imagery was powerful

 

[Wild self]

Damn mayne...

The Hughes Brothers knew what they was doin too. That imagery was powerful

Yep. And 1993 was DELIBERATE in erasing all the pro black movies and messaging from 87 to 92. Hughes Bros struck gold and literally killed a lot of would-be black intellectuals

 

[Ol’Otis]

Damn mayne...

The Hughes Brothers knew what they was doin too. That imagery was powerful

Like @Barnett114 said after Boyz n the hood came out a lot of LA imagery seemed to thrive on its portrayal of violence

 

[Mac Ten]

Like @Barnett114 said after Boyz n the hood came out a lot of LA imagery seemed to thrive on its portrayal violence

Hell yeah..

It didn't help that Death Row was cartoonish as hell on both records and reality.

Snoop was out here trying to be a pimp but he had a wife

Dre not talking about smoking weed or cess, a couple years later puts out The Chronic which done helped influence a new generation of smokers.


Suge running LA like the Kingpin. Over time, he became more diabolical.


Making his foes drink pee pee naked, raping everyone from engineers to even janitors,


I can see why Dre wanted to leave. Suge made the environment hostile trying to be Avon Barksdale

 

[Mac Ten]

Like @Barnett114 said after Boyz n the hood came out a lot of LA imagery seemed to thrive on its portrayal violence

Menace 2 Society was a bit more cartoonish than Boyz N Da Hood.

-A-Wax shooting the guy that killed Harold to the point where his heart popped out.

- Caffeine aka AP doin that funny azz walk when he was creeping out to get Caine

- Caine kicking the Now And later and Olde English juices out of Caffeine's mouth while he was on the ground.

- O-Dog mean mugging the dude who asked to sukk his dikk for some hubba rocks and still took his Cheeseburgers even rejecting em the first time and had the nerve to ask A-Wax and that girl who rolled with him if they wanted some.


I used to think LA/Bay cats were that animated.


Even as a kid, I really thought that Spice 1 was outside shooting cats for selling drugs on his Turf along with MC eiht running the pimp game.

 

[Mac Ten]

Yep. And 1993 was DELIBERATE in erasing all the pro black movies and messaging from 87 to 92. Hughes Bros struck gold and literally killed a lot of would-be black intellectuals

Yeah...

Don't forget the music too. There's reason they stopped supporting Paris and PE while DR got a push.

My Dad even told me that u couldn't be smart and that u have to mean mug folks. He said all that while getting a college degree.

A lot of Super Thugs will tell someone not to go to college but will go get a degree themselves.


Even Queen Latifah and LL Cool J had to take the thug route.

DRS came out with a quasi rape song.



Did u buy the Souls of Mischief CD

 

[3rdWorld]

 

[Bboystyle]

Anyone dissing Pac is a certified c00n. That brotha was a genius and political minded for his black community. He just got caught up in the fukkery at death row that ended him too soon.

 

[Mac Ten]

Anyone dissing Pac is a certified c00n. That brotha was a genius and political minded for his black community. He just got caught up in the fukkery at death row that ended him too soon.

Suge kept enabling Pac...

I wish Pac signed with Master P or J. Prince.

Master P would have told Pac to make his money and lay low. They would have protected him like how they did Snoop.