LL Cool J: "2Pac Had To Put On A Gangsta Image For The Dudes To Like Him"

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When he was alive, he only got the publics attention whenever he had his latest brush with the law or getting fukked up by real street dudes.
No one can find anyone anywhere calling him a great rapper when he was still alive. He was only referred to as 'controversial'..an overly emotional man is these clown dudes favourite rapper.
He was a fine actor though..:mjlol:

He also cleverly used the beef to attach his name forever to that of an actual great emcee, and that is one of hiphop greatest crimes and injustice.
Who called Biggie a great rapper when he was still alive?
 

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When he was alive, he only got the publics attention whenever he had his latest brush with the law or getting fukked up by real street dudes.
No one can find anyone anywhere calling him a great rapper when he was still alive. He was only referred to as 'controversial'..an overly emotional man is these clown dudes favourite rapper.
He was a fine actor though..:mjlol:

He also cleverly used the beef to attach his name forever to that of an actual great emcee, and that is one of hiphop greatest crimes and injustice.

People love the "Thug Life" variation of Tupac, not the Black Panther angle. The women gravitated towards that, and the brehs who wanted women copied him. Thats why you have so many fake thugs today.
 

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People love the "Thug Life" variation of Tupac, not the Black Panther angle. The women gravitated towards that, and the brehs who wanted women copied him. Thats why you have so many fake thugs today.

LL is basically calling Pac out as a studio gangster..and he's right, when you get past the manufactured and choreographed tough guy persona you'll see Pac had no actual street sense or instincts..
 

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Alot of lost cats as usual speaking on their insecurities or out of frustration

None of the shyt in Pac's life was considered soft, going to private school is a stepping stone and a chance to escape from that
which I dont agree with, plus I dropped out of highschool. Cats from the hood destroy it more than anyone else, saying "street cat" or this or that is bottom of the barrel weirdo bullshyt
nikkas get shot and robbed by homeless people, killed by kids and all types of shyt. People think moving a quarter oz is street shyt... or making enough bread to not work a 9-5 is hood boss shyt
Meanwhile these cats are only fukking hoodrat bytches, or the crackheads they serve to ... and only 10% of them commit violent crimes at all. Most of the time they are the victims for the other people looking for easy come up ... all that boogie man shyt is storybook shyt.


I dont see how people can listen to MC New York demo and think Pac wasnt on revolutionary shyt even back then... you'd have to be a hater or straight up retarded. People dont evolve into weirdo shyt per say ... beating the fukk out of people and staying strapped happens all the time to anyone. I dont see why broke cats try to say its only a "street dude" thing. Some people just dont play with that fukk shyt and will put hands on you... I know people that draw anime (which I'm not a fan of ... to prove my point) and will straight choke you the fukk out. Yall are feeding way too far into some fantasy world where people dont get angry and beat the fukk out of eachother all the time. If you follow 2pac's career he had every fukking reason to be mad x10 over and over again. His whole life was basically a huge ball of shyt with Alize and bytches sprinkled on top. I have no clue how you could say it was anything better than that. You could go from Jayz, Big etc and completely disprove and reverse everything said about 2pac in this thread and all the other ones.


Other people are comparing the change in music to the dynamic of people changing in general... that happened to everyone. Another example was MC hammer... he danced and made huge stadium anthems but was rolling with all of Oakland and would beat the fukking shyt out of you. If you sit and think nikkas cant "party and bullshyt" and then smoke you right after... then you need to get out the fukking house more. I can go down a list of cats and people in general from 1950s onward who were all frills but either murdering or murdered tied to some wild shyt. I really dont understand how people try to quantify shyt as being "street" or whatever bullshyt they throw out. That's some of the most fairytale book dumb shyt black people ever created. Plus you already got white people keeping their foot on yall neck and trying to keep you savage... then you give them extra ammo by buying into the myth itself. Like you gotta be "real real" to be about that life, placing black people in a box to separate and destroy more shyt. All races and types of people put work in, its not some "I'll grow into this role later" shyt. Imagine hating on a black person because they did movies? when you already knew the track record beforehand and after. That's some hating ass c00n shyt. Call a dude fighting for blackness "not real" because he's finally not homeless and getting money on a craft he's worked on since 13 years old brehs. Especially call him that when he actually excels to the top of the pyramid dolo while everyone else is trying to extort and kill him at the same time. I guess fighting back about it wasnt real enough for yall. :yeshrug: imagine not fighting back because you want to be real brehs :mjlol: c00n ass website
 

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Do you honestly know his background? He was very poor even when he was attending that performance arts school which he was only at for a year at most while still living in the worst part of Baltimore. It's funny that people seem to think all "real ones" come from super rugged backgrounds when in reality majority come from good schools and households(ie C murder,eazy e, master p).
90% of this thread is nikkas that dont seem to realize the most simplest obvious point

Pac has always been a hot head wild nikka. all this projection of what nikkas think he is. When people have already provided proof.
 

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I really get what uncle L is saying here..
It is thought provoking (to me at least :troll:

It's no fun when 99% of your fans wear high heels
(Well, it is fun in that sense)

But dudes just hate you
Always dismissive
Quick to point out how corny and flawed you are

I am a member of a large fraternal organization
But i wonder how much of that was a cry for help :mjlol:
In that my ability to make lasting one on one friendships with men
... has always lagged behind my general socialibility/ extraversion

Men can "respect" you and "trust" you
Doesnt mean they want to "kick it with you" or consider you relateable

A lot of my choices are suspect..
I'd have to change something up to find more male acceptance

I do have male friends...
But I wonder how much i am already pretending or conforming to make those friendships work

I see 2pac and LL as guys like myself who had/have to walk a line and consciously manipulate our image
2pac wasn't gonna find widespread male acceptance shaking his booty to the humpty dance:pachaha:
 
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cool jay is a serious hater.
he hated how Pac had the ladies.
cool jay: do you want a thug.....or do you want love?
dude hates any rapper that people see as the king.
same with Jay-z.
cool jay hated that dude.
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What proud black person would say that on a record, knowing that it can be used agaginst his credibility later on? Thats why Ice Cube couldn't fukk with dude. Denouncing your blackness is like bleaching your skin.
 

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Alot of lost cats as usual speaking on their insecurities or out of frustration

None of the shyt in Pac's life was considered soft, going to private school is a stepping stone and a chance to escape from that
which I dont agree with, plus I dropped out of highschool. Cats from the hood destroy it more than anyone else, saying "street cat" or this or that is bottom of the barrel weirdo bullshyt
nikkas get shot and robbed by homeless people, killed by kids and all types of shyt. People think moving a quarter oz is street shyt... or making enough bread to not work a 9-5 is hood boss shyt
Meanwhile these cats are only fukking hoodrat bytches, or the crackheads they serve to ... and only 10% of them commit violent crimes at all. Most of the time they are the victims for the other people looking for easy come up ... all that boogie man shyt is storybook shyt.


I dont see how people can listen to MC New York demo and think Pac wasnt on revolutionary shyt even back then... you'd have to be a hater or straight up retarded. People dont evolve into weirdo shyt per say ... beating the fukk out of people and staying strapped happens all the time to anyone. I dont see why broke cats try to say its only a "street dude" thing. Some people just dont play with that fukk shyt and will put hands on you... I know people that draw anime (which I'm not a fan of ... to prove my point) and will straight choke you the fukk out. Yall are feeding way too far into some fantasy world where people dont get angry and beat the fukk out of eachother all the time. If you follow 2pac's career he had every fukking reason to be mad x10 over and over again. His whole life was basically a huge ball of shyt with Alize and bytches sprinkled on top. I have no clue how you could say it was anything better than that. You could go from Jayz, Big etc and completely disprove and reverse everything said about 2pac in this thread and all the other ones.


Other people are comparing the change in music to the dynamic of people changing in general... that happened to everyone. Another example was MC hammer... he danced and made huge stadium anthems but was rolling with all of Oakland and would beat the fukking shyt out of you. If you sit and think nikkas cant "party and bullshyt" and then smoke you right after... then you need to get out the fukking house more. I can go down a list of cats and people in general from 1950s onward who were all frills but either murdering or murdered tied to some wild shyt. I really dont understand how people try to quantify shyt as being "street" or whatever bullshyt they throw out. That's some of the most fairytale book dumb shyt black people ever created. Plus you already got white people keeping their foot on yall neck and trying to keep you savage... then you give them extra ammo by buying into the myth itself. Like you gotta be "real real" to be about that life, placing black people in a box to separate and destroy more shyt. All races and types of people put work in, its not some "I'll grow into this role later" shyt. Imagine hating on a black person because they did movies? when you already knew the track record beforehand and after. That's some hating ass c00n shyt. Call a dude fighting for blackness "not real" because he's finally not homeless and getting money on a craft he's worked on since 13 years old brehs. Especially call him that when he actually excels to the top of the pyramid dolo while everyone else is trying to extort and kill him at the same time. I guess fighting back about it wasnt real enough for yall. :yeshrug: imagine not fighting back because you want to be real brehs :mjlol: c00n ass website

Nobody hates Pac as a human being, or even calling him soft, but he portrayed something that he really was not.
 

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What proud black person would say that on a record, knowing that it can be used agaginst his credibility later on? Thats why Ice Cube couldn't fukk with dude. Denouncing your blackness is like bleaching your skin.

I’m being tugged in 2 directions right now :hula:

@ the heart of it...even back then I knew that music was “poison”

but @ the same time I can’t front on how big an impact that music ultimately had on me as a hip hop fan

I can’t escape my hypocrisy on this one :francis:
 

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LL a legend but he shouldnt be talking about Pac when he was fukking filipino homos on the low, he lucky his name ain't on that list floating around these days :pacspit:

wait...what the fukk just happened??

please don’t explain...that just caught me off guard
 
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