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I could be way wrong but I think JJ McCarthy will be drafted before Drake Maye.
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I watch Justin Herbert about every week, I really don't see the Drake Maye comparison. Drake Maye's arm is actually kind of average or at least nowhere near as strong.
The only thing that's similar is their height/weight and running.
I find it funny many people think taller, heavy QB's have a rocket arm when Philip Rivers was 6'5 230 lbs. and I don't think I've ever seen that guy throw a pass over 55 yards.
The only thing that's similar is their height/weight and running.
I find it funny many people think taller, heavy QB's have a rocket arm when Philip Rivers was 6'5 230 lbs. and I don't think I've ever seen that guy throw a pass over 55 yards.
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Last post on Caleb, going to look at the WR's more next, this is really an excellent breakdown though:
Caleb Williams' ability to create out of structure undoubtedly translates to the pro game. He possesses a rare mix of athleticism, twitchiness as an escape artist, balance, and the ability to throw accurately from different platforms and arm angles.
Williams is above average when it comes to that buzzword "arm talent." His arm is strong enough to drive the ball down the field, and his strong base allows him to rip the ball to all levels of the field in compromising positions, facing pressure, or on the run. He may be the best on-the-run passer I've ever scouted.
Williams separates from a lot of other QB prospects in his ability to put a special touch on all types of throws, including fade balls in the red zone or layering passes over level-two linebackers on time.
The most underrated part of Williams' passing skill set is how he uses elite balance and core strength to fire strikes from unconventional starting points. For example, his sturdy build allows him to set his feet extremely quickly and get the ball out while being pressured or chased.
In the clip below, you can see Williams react to a missed block, lose sight of his receiver, and still deliver a perfect ball to a target he knew would have a one-on-one. Notice the quick release in the face of pressure and how the ball jumps out of his hand without him taking any step forward. Williams standing shorter than 6-foot-2 gives him a low center of gravity that contributes to his incredible balance.
In the clip below, Williams steps up in the pocket, scrambles to throw while staying behind the line of scrimmage, and delivers a seed while rolling left. The velocity of this ball is madness, and Williams shows unreal balance to be able to square his shoulders and rip it fast enough to where the defender can't close in time.
In the clip below, Williams shows his ability to throw on the run to his right. The receiver can't complete the catch, but this is a bullet placed perfectly. D.J. Moore could probably snag it.
While the clip above shows velocity, the clip below is an example of Williams using touch. His left tackle fails in protection, but Williams' escaping instincts kick in as he fades left and drops a dime in stride to his cross-runner.
When escaping from pressure, Williams has an uncanny ability to deceive defenders and get outside of them. He doesn't quite execute a crossover, it's more of a quick square-up hesitation and explosion out, using unreal twitch to escape.
(This play right here
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In the clip below, Williams shows off his escape ability, instincts, and creativity, delivering a hook shot in the scramble drill. People underestimate how much of the game is played on second-reaction plays.
The clip below shows more of his patented hesitation, this time making a free Washington defender tumble to the ground. Williams finishes the play by knocking down the Washington DB. He's not physically imposing, but his balance and core strength shine on plays like this.
Washington went to the College Football Playoff National Championship game this year. The clip below shows Caleb Williams putting on a show against top-tier Division 1 athletes. Williams is a gifted passer but can make people miss and score touchdowns with his legs as well. This spin move is straight out of Madden.
Williams does an excellent job keeping his eyes up against pressure. He also has an innate sense of how to manipulate the pocket. The clip below is masterful. Williams works the play side of the passing concept, flips his eyes to the backside dig, all while evading pressure and moving in the pocket. He's able to somehow find an arm angle over the defender's hand to fit the ball into his third read.
One detail that stood out to me watching Williams' film was that he drew a lot of offsides penalty-free plays a la Aaron Rodgers. USC did use claps as part of the cadence, but that's still a useful trait that can be good for a lot of hidden yardage and potential for huge plays. Owning the huddle and mastering the cadence is an underrated aspect of QB play.
Can Williams go through progressions? There is nothing in his film that suggests he is incapable. Will he forego the easy play to try to make something big happen at times? Sure. But in-structure decision-making and progressions can be taught and developed. Special creative instincts are less teachable.
In the clip below, you can see Williams stay in the pocket and go through a full field progression. Williams has two slants to his left and a snag concept to his right. He doesn't like his slants, so he flips his eyes to the boundary to read the snag side. Notre Dame covers the spot route and swing, leaving his only option as the one-on-one out (or more likely a corner that the WR flattened). Having the guts to throw that ball in what is basically a full-field quick game is pretty special.
The clip below shows the confidence Williams has in his arm. USC has a run play called, but the field receiver has an out route against off coverage. Throwing this to the field knowing he'll have to find an arm angle and drive the ball all the way out there shows special traits.
In the clip below, USC is running a deep cross from the slot receiver working towards the boundary. Williams' manipulation of the pocket and hitching up is beautiful. He delivers a strike with perfect placement that allows his receiver to run after the catch.
In the clip below, USC is running a Y-Leak concept that has the No. 3 receiver drag across the formation and sneak up the boundary numbers. Williams stays true to the play despite poor protection. He delivers an accurate ball while taking a big hit.
That play where dude threw the hookshot was basically on some:
Special Traits
Playing quarterback is more art than science. Executing plays in the structure of the offense as drawn up on the whiteboard is part of the job, but it's rare that plays develop exactly how they are installed. Creativity is one of the most important traits for quarterbacks transitioning to the pro game, especially as it pertains to early-career performance. It will take thousands of reps and a lot of experience before a QB has mastery of his offense.Caleb Williams' ability to create out of structure undoubtedly translates to the pro game. He possesses a rare mix of athleticism, twitchiness as an escape artist, balance, and the ability to throw accurately from different platforms and arm angles.
Williams is above average when it comes to that buzzword "arm talent." His arm is strong enough to drive the ball down the field, and his strong base allows him to rip the ball to all levels of the field in compromising positions, facing pressure, or on the run. He may be the best on-the-run passer I've ever scouted.
Williams separates from a lot of other QB prospects in his ability to put a special touch on all types of throws, including fade balls in the red zone or layering passes over level-two linebackers on time.
The most underrated part of Williams' passing skill set is how he uses elite balance and core strength to fire strikes from unconventional starting points. For example, his sturdy build allows him to set his feet extremely quickly and get the ball out while being pressured or chased.
In the clip below, you can see Williams react to a missed block, lose sight of his receiver, and still deliver a perfect ball to a target he knew would have a one-on-one. Notice the quick release in the face of pressure and how the ball jumps out of his hand without him taking any step forward. Williams standing shorter than 6-foot-2 gives him a low center of gravity that contributes to his incredible balance.
In the clip below, Williams steps up in the pocket, scrambles to throw while staying behind the line of scrimmage, and delivers a seed while rolling left. The velocity of this ball is madness, and Williams shows unreal balance to be able to square his shoulders and rip it fast enough to where the defender can't close in time.
In the clip below, Williams shows his ability to throw on the run to his right. The receiver can't complete the catch, but this is a bullet placed perfectly. D.J. Moore could probably snag it.
While the clip above shows velocity, the clip below is an example of Williams using touch. His left tackle fails in protection, but Williams' escaping instincts kick in as he fades left and drops a dime in stride to his cross-runner.
When escaping from pressure, Williams has an uncanny ability to deceive defenders and get outside of them. He doesn't quite execute a crossover, it's more of a quick square-up hesitation and explosion out, using unreal twitch to escape.
(This play right here
):In the clip below, Williams shows off his escape ability, instincts, and creativity, delivering a hook shot in the scramble drill. People underestimate how much of the game is played on second-reaction plays.
The clip below shows more of his patented hesitation, this time making a free Washington defender tumble to the ground. Williams finishes the play by knocking down the Washington DB. He's not physically imposing, but his balance and core strength shine on plays like this.
Washington went to the College Football Playoff National Championship game this year. The clip below shows Caleb Williams putting on a show against top-tier Division 1 athletes. Williams is a gifted passer but can make people miss and score touchdowns with his legs as well. This spin move is straight out of Madden.
Williams does an excellent job keeping his eyes up against pressure. He also has an innate sense of how to manipulate the pocket. The clip below is masterful. Williams works the play side of the passing concept, flips his eyes to the backside dig, all while evading pressure and moving in the pocket. He's able to somehow find an arm angle over the defender's hand to fit the ball into his third read.
In Structure
There are questions about Williams' ability to play from the pocket and make decisions within the structure of his offense. The USC offense had some issues this past season, and Williams' production dipped as a result. However, evaluating draft prospects is not about judging college performance, it's about projecting traits that translate to the next level. I have no doubt Williams can operate an NFL offense at a high level.One detail that stood out to me watching Williams' film was that he drew a lot of offsides penalty-free plays a la Aaron Rodgers. USC did use claps as part of the cadence, but that's still a useful trait that can be good for a lot of hidden yardage and potential for huge plays. Owning the huddle and mastering the cadence is an underrated aspect of QB play.
Can Williams go through progressions? There is nothing in his film that suggests he is incapable. Will he forego the easy play to try to make something big happen at times? Sure. But in-structure decision-making and progressions can be taught and developed. Special creative instincts are less teachable.
In the clip below, you can see Williams stay in the pocket and go through a full field progression. Williams has two slants to his left and a snag concept to his right. He doesn't like his slants, so he flips his eyes to the boundary to read the snag side. Notre Dame covers the spot route and swing, leaving his only option as the one-on-one out (or more likely a corner that the WR flattened). Having the guts to throw that ball in what is basically a full-field quick game is pretty special.
The clip below shows the confidence Williams has in his arm. USC has a run play called, but the field receiver has an out route against off coverage. Throwing this to the field knowing he'll have to find an arm angle and drive the ball all the way out there shows special traits.
In the clip below, USC is running a deep cross from the slot receiver working towards the boundary. Williams' manipulation of the pocket and hitching up is beautiful. He delivers a strike with perfect placement that allows his receiver to run after the catch.
In the clip below, USC is running a Y-Leak concept that has the No. 3 receiver drag across the formation and sneak up the boundary numbers. Williams stays true to the play despite poor protection. He delivers an accurate ball while taking a big hit.
That play where dude threw the hookshot was basically on some:
NFL Outlook
Caleb Williams has all the traits of an NFL franchise QB, including a big arm and the athleticism to escape and make plays with his legs. His ability to pass accurately from all different arm angles and body positions is special. Williams thrives out of structure, using creativity and instincts to move the ball and hit big plays. His internal clock and ability to keep his eyes downfield make it likely that he will only get better in structure as well. The traits he shows on film make him one of the best QB prospects I've ever scouted and a potential superstar.
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Can't quote IIVI and say his post was great for whatever reason.
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Patriots radio I listen to are praying for Maye so Pats may pick him up at 3 if he's there
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My old teammate uncle is a former nfl scout and he said JJ and rattler are getting high grades within NFL circles he told me he won't be shock if rattler is a first round QB over nix and penix jr
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Forgot to mention for the arm strength purists:
Probably the strongest arm I've ever seen. Said he can legit throw it 90 yards.
Only problem really is the quarterback skills and instincts still have a long way to go.
I'd say if you have a patient fanbase, have a staff that knows what they're doing or your fanbase is basically stuck this dude may shake things up.
Probably the strongest arm I've ever seen. Said he can legit throw it 90 yards.
Only problem really is the quarterback skills and instincts still have a long way to go.
I'd say if you have a patient fanbase, have a staff that knows what they're doing or your fanbase is basically stuck this dude may shake things up.
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i like Spencer and hopes he ball's out but the mahomes (mohawked mulatto with strong arm/mobility) thrist is going to get him over drafted
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zero chance the only thing to like about jj McCarthy prototypical size,arm strength, athleticism Drake Maye match's or beat's him
it would almost be like some GM deciding drafting Spencer Rattler over Caleb Williams ...... your getting ever thing to like about Rattler from Caleb in a upgraded package so you just can't see it
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a lot of indications that JJ is shooting up boards and NFL teams have him higher than people think