9th Wonder is an a$$hole I get it but to not call him a producer is bullshyt.
Little Brother: 9th Wonder wasn't the real producer for our albums, Phonte was
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correct, in simple terms....a beatmaker is the programmer
Rell84shots
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I don't care, 9th is certified for this alone.
Ol Dirty b*stard isn't either. His presence on his classics is more important to me than any other job in the process.
Whoever made the beat is my second most respected member of the team.
The "producer" (assuming he is not the beat maker and is doing a different job). Is somewhat in there for me.. but a distant third.
The studio engineer is an important figure. I think Dr Dre is likely a mastermind engineer. At least from how I understand the concept. And that's important. The details of his sound are key to the overall outcome.
Rap. Make the beat. Engineer the session.
That's pretty much all the important parts. Whatever "producing" is outside of those things, it doesn't mean as much as the rest.
But that's what I'm saying: what is a "producer" if not beat maker and engineer. A director?
again...I dont know whats wrong with the comprehension or did you guys not watch the video??? thats not what they said! in fact they said 9th IS a producer, they said the main producer for LB was Phonte. however you want to take that, they did NOT say 9th is not a producer.
I think only people who want gossip & beef found anything in what was said.
9th made the beats and Te' was the ORCHESTRATOR as far as the overall concept/ subject matter of the songs and overall direction of the albums.
9th made the beats and Te' was the ORCHESTRATOR as far as the overall concept/ subject matter of the songs and overall direction of the albums.
YakSpiller
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Pooh is so salty when it comes to 9th.
I hate that shyt. I wish they could just get along.
I hate that shyt. I wish they could just get along.
5:55
Says that 9th Wonder was only the beatmaker, and not even for every song. And Phonte was the head Producer. Interesting
So why the hell does 9th Wonder get all the credit for these albums then?
I’m a huge Little Brother fan. Love each member and I’m probably the biggest fan of Phonte. But probably 60% of what made them stand out was 9ths IMMACUALTE beats. 30% was that they rapped about regular nikka shyt and 10% was how creative the albums were. But that’s why 9th was the star out the gate. The first two albums are still their best work hands down.
thank you. lol. another reference is Cool V said he was coming up with a lot of the samples for Biz and someone later told him thats producing and he should have gotten co-producer credit. he didnt make the beat, but coming up with the sample was just as important back then. Rakim was a full producer on his albums with Eric B. He programmed, picked samples, played drums, etc....he may have needed help at times from Large Pro. which remember when Eric B and Large Pro had beef? Paul C was working on Let the Rhythm Hit Em before he passed and Ra brought in Large Pro to help finish the album. Large said Eric B was NOT around and before the album was turned in, he came to the stu and "remixed" it and claimed production credit...while Large who did all of the programming and co-production got ZERO credit.
Creative direction is something a strong artist should have regardless of a "producer" or being given that title to seem extraordinary.
And they can go head with that bullshyt
Neither of Phonte's solos are better than LB albums but he was the big brain behind it now?
Long Live The Kane
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doesnt really seem like a revelation
Yeah, I think most people people might’ve just already assumed phonte was the driving force…the semantics of producer in the context of hip hop kinda complicates things
Quite fascinating that producers have convinced people to buy this bullshyt
The beat maker is the talent. The beat maker can do everything a producer can. The beat maker can and majority out the time IS the producer..: seamlessly. The “producer” the way it’s used in hip hop (more on that in a second) and as the case here, couldn’t make a beat to save his life
So while it is a talent to have the ear to say ‘no sing this that way’, it does not supersede the beat maker. Not even close
But about hip hop. Sadly, this differentiation of beatmaker vs producer is a hip hop thing. Hip hop has a nasty stench of getting other people to do shyt for you that you should do yourself. You don’t hear R Kelly or Raphael Saadiq or Deangelo sayin ‘oh nah I made the beat but I got somebody else to produce it’. It’s bullshyt. And 95% of the time if it happens, there’s some type of fukkery around it.
Puff & Hitmen- fukkery surrounds it
Post Late registration Kanye- fukkery surrounds it
Timbo and his camp of ghostproducers- fukkery surrounds it
And now Little Brother- fukkery surrounds it
It’s a political delineation more than a musical one. One that big name ‘producers’ have convinced people to think is a real thing bc it benefits them
Why are you putting a made up title in all caps
There’s no such thing as an oRchEstRatOr in rap
He was the rapper. Coming up with a hook does not make you a producer. These nggas itemizing. It’s like these new age chicks who on some ‘well technically I’m a chef bc I make food, technically I’m a maid since I cleaned up today….’
Again there is no coincidence that every time this comes up it’s regarding a situation of fukkery. These nggas gettin petty. If you wannabe technical, every rapper who has ever intuitively changed a song or ad-libbed or riffed etc he has just produced. He is a “producer”. As a lifelong LB fan it’s a bad look for them to go the technical route and be this petty
