Like it or not, Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole are the Rakim and BDK/Nas and Jay-Z of this era

[BodeineBrazy]

this one of the dumbest fukking threads ever. pure filth.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

He's obviously better on mixtapes but rapping about women is not where he's at his best. I don't even like his albums because I think they're poorly constructed and all over the place but you sound like you personally don't like him. J. Cole is no less arrogant than Wale and if anything his "I won't to boast but I want to still seem humble shyt" is annoying as fukk. Real people can decipher, relax. It's the type of shyt that Nas never did or had to do. FYI, the fact that you actually like J. Cole's production speaks volumes to your ear for music. J. Cole sounded perfectly finding rapping over other people's beats on his mixtapes. The problem with Cole is that he just comes off as a poor man's Kanye on the boards. You can't seriously tell me that somehow J. Cole would sound off if he was given the soulful beats that went to Drake and Kendrick.

J. Cole should be rapping over stuff like Too Much, Lord Knows, Sing About Me, bytch Don't Kill My Vibe, Look What You've Done, Money Trees, Furthest Thing, etc. It's why his albums can only be played when you're in a certain mood. That shyt is the same reason Nas lost my and @Broletariat's generation after he brought us all in when we were in 7th grade with Stillmatic. I was stanning and listening to him despite the fact that I thought 60% of those beats were weak. Don't even get me started on Cole World's inconsistent ass production. I knew he had yes man around him when the dude in the studio co-signed that wack ass beat he tried to send to Jay.

Agreed Coles beats have no bite. Just very tame with little character. I liked his beat on Section 80 but that's about it.

Tbh Hov and Drake is a better comparison even though im a Hov stan and can't stomach Drake.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

He's obviously better on mixtapes but rapping about women is not where he's at his best. I don't even like his albums because I think they're poorly constructed and all over the place but you sound like you personally don't like him. J. Cole is no less arrogant than Wale and if anything his "I won't to boast but I want to still seem humble shyt" is annoying as fukk. Real people can decipher, relax. It's the type of shyt that Nas never did or had to do. FYI, the fact that you actually like J. Cole's production speaks volumes to your ear for music. J. Cole sounded perfectly finding rapping over other people's beats on his mixtapes. The problem with Cole is that he just comes off as a poor man's Kanye on the boards. You can't seriously tell me that somehow J. Cole would sound off if he was given the soulful beats that went to Drake and Kendrick.

J. Cole should be rapping over stuff like Too Much, Lord Knows, Sing About Me, bytch Don't Kill My Vibe, Look What You've Done, Money Trees, Furthest Thing, etc. It's why his albums can only be played when you're in a certain mood. That shyt is the same reason Nas lost my and @Broletariat's generation after he brought us all in when we were in 7th grade with Stillmatic. I was stanning and listening to him despite the fact that I thought 60% of those beats were weak. Don't even get me started on Cole World's inconsistent ass production. I knew he had yes man around him when the dude in the studio co-signed that wack ass beat he tried to send to Jay.

 

[No1]

Agreed Coles beats have no bite. Just very tame with little character. I liked his beat on Section 80 but that's about it.

Tbh Hov and Drake is a better comparison even though im a Hov stan and can't stomach Drake.

My problem with Drake is his need to switch every song into some neo-soul crooning.... He can rap though. But yeah he's the more appropriate comparison to Jay from a hitmaker's perspective that still gets respect as a rapper and is loved on the street (somehow).

To Drake's credit, he more than holds his own whenever he's on a song with these guys.

@Mephistopheles that's my line and like always.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

this one of the dumbest fukking threads ever. pure filth.

Nah, a lot of peoples' reading comprehension is shyt, which comes as no surprise as all in the booth.

I clearly stated in the first sentence that Cole and Lamar are nowhere near as good as Rakim/BDK and Nas/Jay Z. The comparison is that I'm saying Cole/Lamar are the two most prominent standout lyricists that have hip-hop purist base credentials as well as mainstream viability in today's era.

I never said they are as comparably as good as the other two pairings, and I made it a note to say otherwise and people are still acting like I equated their talent or quality of product.

So to people who deride the thread premise, why don't you fill in the blanks and state who comes closest to filling the roles of a Rakim/BDK or Nas/Jay Z in today's era? If you don't have an answer, My claim stands.

 

[sctemer]

I think BDK, Rakim, Nas, and Jay are innovative though. And they all have classics. I can't say that for J Cole or Kendrick.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

My problem with Drake is his need to switch every song into some neo-soul crooning.... He can rap though. But yeah he's the more appropriate comparison to Jay from a hitmaker's perspective that still gets respect as a rapper and is loved on the street (somehow).

To Drake's credit, he more than holds his own whenever he's on a song with these guys.

@Mephistopheles that's my line and like always.

TBH Gnanze stans know his beat selection is overall a C-. Its hard for them to admit but it renders his catalogue Stillmatic all the way up til Life is Good (which has decent beats) pretty terrible. It almost makes you wonder how It Was Written and Illmatic were ever so cohesive and high quality production wise.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

My problem with Drake is his need to switch every song into some neo-soul crooning.... He can rap though. But yeah he's the more appropriate comparison to Jay from a hitmaker's perspective that still gets respect as a rapper and is loved on the street (somehow).

To Drake's credit, he more than holds his own whenever he's on a song with these guys.

@Mephistopheles that's my line and like always.

I'm mad? You just typed an essay comparing and contrasting J. Cole and Wale emcee prowess. I stopped reading after a couple of sentences because I think Cole is better and there's nothing you can say that would change my mind, and I don't care about either of them enough to go back and forth with you about it beyond a certain point..

 

[travishah]

Stop comparing these nikkas tho
Enjoy them among their contemporaries

 

[BlackMajik]

Cole is boring as fukk to me

Cole is a lyrical sleeping pill

 

[blackslash]

Niggga said Cole

@Mephistopheles shut yo indian curry smelling ass up

Cole Cole??

Drake is Jay and Kdot is....maybe Nas?

 

[NoHalfWay]

Lupe has the most similar career direction as Nas of all the 2000s artist

First 2 albums are critically acclaimed and praised, the following 2 pale in comparison and they have "fallen off".

Then album #5 is the reinvention/comeback to God status

 

[NasIsTheGOAT]

kendrick is diet nas and j.cole is diet kendrick

 

[Surreal]

Nas is from a different cloth. Of course Cole and Kendrick can aspire to be biters like Jay tho....

 

[TheSickness]

If J.Cole is a lyricist then there is no word to describe the level of lyrical prowess of Nas and Eminem.