Libetarianism :lupe:

[DEAD7]

See this is extremely flimsy and based on assumptions

Assumption 1. greed and altruism are objective; they are the furthest thing from it. My altruism is your greed, my injustice is your justice and so forth. There is no reason to base economics off this, it is in my view asinine.

Assumption 2. you assume that I have support for government and of itself, which is also not true. I support reason based economic initiatives based not on moral values but tried and tested programs which will help facilitate a lubricated economic environment which are conducive to growth.

You laugh when I say that you are talking about your opinion, when really that's all you or any other Libertarian talks about. If you want to debate me on Austrian economics, do your research on that and make a contention. If you want to talk about liberalization and the privatization model, talk to me about that with your substance. Discussions on morality and rationality when talking about a secular open society are totally nonsensical.

1- fair enough, though human nature, which both are part of, must be factored into any system or that system is fundamentally flawed.

2- I can respect that.


I laughed because I know -facts dont change peoples minds-. If i copy pasted links or charts supporting my talking points, it would do little to convince anyone here(i could be wrong). I am looking for common sense discussion, where some one can(through the course of the discussion) have their eyes opened or at least begin to consider alternatives. myself included.
I scrutinize everything, my own ideology included, and I encourage others to do the same.





Academic discussions in my experience bare little fruit online.

 

[Morph]

I think @DEAD7 is a plant y'all. Who do you work for? The Mises Institute?

"If you disagree with me you're wrong and probably not a real person."

Every liberal I ever met.

if hustling doesn't == capitalism/free and open markets, then I don't know what does.

THIS x100000000

Libertarian-ism is the lazy ideology of greed.

Nothing wrong with a little greed and indulgence. You only live once.

I am in complete shock ... Dis niqqa straight up told me government isnt wasteful or less efficient than private industry...

LOL. Been hearing this since the last election. I don't even know where they come up with this stuff, unless they heard it on MSNBC and decided to regurgitate it here.

 

[Broke Wave]

"If you disagree with me you're wrong and probably not a real person."

Every liberal I ever met.





THIS x100000000





Nothing wrong with a little greed and indulgence. You only live once.





LOL. Been hearing this since the last election. I don't even know where they come up with this stuff, unless they heard it on MSNBC and decided to regurgitate it here.

Why are you quoting me if you're not going to say something substantive? Another LOL for a statement I've made and still no rebuttal based on any evidence, just more bullshyt.

 

[DEAD7]

Why are you quoting me if you're not going to say something substantive? Another LOL for a statement I've made and still no rebuttal based on any evidence, just more bullshyt.

A quick google shows private schools producing a much higher rate of educated youths that go onto college than public schools at about the same cost, and in some states at a lower cost.

But facts like this tend to be brushed aside by people like yourself, and posting such readily available information is really a waste of time.

All one can do is





What gets me is how your position passes your own b*llshyt test? Do you honestly think that people are as careful spending some ones else's money without accountability as they are with their own money?

 

[Broke Wave]

A quick google shows private schools producing a much higher rate of educated youths that go onto college than public schools at about the same cost, and in some states at a lower cost.

But facts like this tend to be brushed aside by people like yourself, and posting such readily available information is really a waste of time.

All one can do is





What gets me is how your position passes your own b*llshyt test? Do you honestly think that people are as careful spending some ones else's money without accountability as they are with their own money?

Don't a quick google me, show me statistics... this is the most baseless convo I've had in a minute... put up or shut up, show me those so called facts and we'll have an analysis of them.

 

[Richard Wright]

In a free market system , corporations would not exist. However, as long as there are places like singapore and china in which the government is willing to bend over to assist job creators and innovators, trying to compete without the governments help will continue to fail. We need #newrulez in the worst way.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

if hustling doesn't == capitalism/free and open markets, then I don't know what does.

CAPITALISM IS ACTUALLY THE TRANSFER OF WEALTH FROM LABORERS WHO WORK TO CAPITALISTS WHO DO NOT WORK, BROTHER! YOU COULD CALL THIS HUSTLING, IN ANOTHER SENSE OF THE WORD, DUDE!

MODS, PLEASE CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE TO "LIBERTARIANISM "

 

[DEAD7]

Just going to ignore the bullsh*t test huh?

Sure,

http://www.capenet.org/facts.html

^performance comparison(as well as private school cost)

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=66

^public school cost, i'll find a more recent source and edit it in later

You are actually the first person who i have com across that thinks public schools are superior to private schools... Or were you under the assumption private schools cost more?


The burden of cost in public schools is just removed from the individual, and shared by everyone...

 

[acri1]

I'll never understand why libertarian philosophy isn't hip hop's official political ideology. It basically translates to "fukk the police", "You just do you, umma do me", " Let me roll my weed", etc...Someone could write a whole book on the parallels. I mean for fukk's sake, if hustling doesn't == capitalism/free and open markets, then I don't know what does.

Probably because, in practice, Libertarianism would be horrible for minorities and poor people, and really only beneficial to the rich.


We're already in a society where the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer - completely cutting out and wealth redistribution would pretty much, after a while, take us back to the days of serfs and peasants.


There's also the fact that having so much of the wealth concentrated at the top is bad for the economy in general. This is because, without a strong middle/working class to buy goods and services, not enough money will be exchanged and the economy will slow. That's what happened before the Great Depression (huge concentration of wealth at the top) and again before the late-2000s recession. True story.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

Government is inefficient because of a lack of incentive, i've worked for the government and seen it first hand. You probably have to at the DMV, Schools or other government offices.

Guess what

You aren't the first person to support libertarianism and work for the govt.

 

[DEAD7]

CAPITALISM IS ACTUALLY THE TRANSFER OF WEALTH FROM LABORERS WHO WORK TO CAPITALISTS WHO DO NOT WORK, BROTHER! YOU COULD CALL THIS HUSTLING, IN ANOTHER SENSE OF THE WORD, DUDE!

MODS, PLEASE CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE TO "LIBERTARIANISM "

Amazes me how easily the story is started in the middle....

Where did this wealth come from?

What do capitalist do?

Why do laborers allow this "transfer" to happen?

Why are laborers laboring in the first place if they have have/are the wealth?

 

[Slystallion]

CAPITALISM IS ACTUALLY THE TRANSFER OF WEALTH FROM LABORERS WHO WORK TO CAPITALISTS WHO DO NOT WORK, BROTHER! YOU COULD CALL THIS HUSTLING, IN ANOTHER SENSE OF THE WORD, DUDE!

MODS, PLEASE CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE TO "LIBERTARIANISM "

Hulk you aren't a socialist...stay consistent with the real guy brotha! Your a southern republican who likes trucks "vitamins" and the flat tax and says his prayers and you voted for Mitt Romney

your not doing a Marvel ultimate version of Hulk Hogan dude

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Where did this wealth come from?

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Hulk you aren't a socialist...stay consistent with the real guy brotha! Your a southern republican who likes trucks "vitamins" and the flat tax and says his prayers and you voted for Mitt Romney

your not doing a Marvel ultimate version of Hulk Hogan dude

NEW WORLD ORDER, BROTHER!

 

[DEAD7]