@Leyet, Why Place Emphasis On Alternative Methods As A Viable Way Of Treatment?

[Suicide King]

Do you hate your job? Real shyt. I am going to pharm school in the fall, and im going to do everything i can to stay away from a retail setting.

It doesn't feel like a job.

I can't complain, I get paid to care for the sick.

Job market is not that great, relocate if you have to, even if its Alaska. It might improve, but the last 4 or 5 years has been brutal.

 

[OneManGang]

It doesn't feel like a job.

I can't complain, I get paid to care for the sick.

Job market is not that great, relocate if you have to, even if its Alaska. It might improve, but the last 4 or 5 years has been brutal.

I'll def keep in touch with you with questions and stuff if you dont mind. The pharmacy association really needs to get our profession in tune with the modern world more/get us more respected in healthcare. In some ways, a pharmacist can be as valuable as a doctor (hell we learn so much about the body and patient care), but they dont utilize our skillset as efficiently as they should.

 

[tmonster]

Doctors and health professions use PDR (most popular for doctors), Medline (most popular for academics), National Institutes of Health, and United States Pharmacopeia regarding natural medicine.

Modern medicine...well...I'm a Pharmacist and you'll be surprised SOME of the stuff I learned in school is no longer valid or no longer recommended because it leads to pour outcomes. Past couple of years we learned how the inflammatory response to the HIV virus leads to fibrosis and early death, this was unknown and not part of the treatment protocol in 2006.

Doctors have to use alternative/natural medicine in treating their patients. In 2005 they suspected the role of B-vitamins in improving survival in patients with high blood pressure, now a doctor who does not have a patient on that regimen is not providing the standard of care.

you...you...haven't answered my question...

 

[Suicide King]

I'll def keep in touch with you with questions and stuff if you dont mind. The pharmacy association really needs to get our profession in tune with the modern world more/get us more respected in healthcare. In some ways, a pharmacist can be as valuable as a doctor (hell we learn so much about the body and patient care), but they dont utilize our skillset as efficiently as they should.

You'll find you will learn about every single drug, while a doctor learns a few so they will have their preferred drugs and not be very knowledgeable of the alternatives. This is why doctors respect us, they know we know much more, I've never had a doctor act dismissive towards me and they sometimes ask for recommendations. When you say respect, I guess you mean increased responsibilities, and that does happen more in the clinical and ambulatory care setting. Much harder in the retail setting because there is not enough time to do a full review or intervention.

@tmonster Not sure what else to say, and honestly I don't take you seriously.

 

[OsO]

uh...how do tell the difference?

if something works on a consistent basis it's good, if it doesnt, it's bad or neutral.

Can you give an example of shytty western medicine?

"Western" medicine has a built in system of science based scrutiny and peer review that can be very effective when allowed.

very true. but we aren't attacking science necessarily, we are moreso questioning the institution of western medicine. the amount of people who die annually from faulty health care is in the hundreds of thousands. that's a huge concern, and just one concern of many.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

you have an incorrect view of my position. i think "western" medcine and "natural" medicine can bth be beneficial and ive said that many times. they both have their own strengths and weaknesses and it's about assessing the medical situation of the individual.

i dont buy into western medicine as the only option, especially when medical malpractice is a leading cause of death for americans. plus we have more people sick, in pain, and on drugs than at any other time in history. all this to me suggests our health care system is not doing a good job.

i also happen to know things like herbs, meditation, proper breathing, a good diet, massage therapy, acupuncture, yoga, etc., all have legitimate health benefits, especially the herbs. herbs have been healing people naturally for thousands of years and some idiots still doubt their validity, despite the fact most pharmaceuticals when they are created are usually designed to mimic natural compounds discovered in plants.

my general theory on healing: if i have the time i will utilize natural methods because natural methods are safer and their effects more permanent. if the medical condition does not allow enough time for natural methods then i will utilize western methods. it's really whatever the situation calls for.



go learn how to properly read a scientific study you brown stained shytty mouth bytch



breh... you have to stop miseducating the people out here.

STOP trying to explain my beliefs to others because you get it wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME. all the above statements are taken out of a larger context and totally misrepresented.

i stated in both those situations that i would gather all the pertinent information and make a decision based on that, nothing more nothing less. and again, if i have the time im going with natural methods, if i dont have the time ill go with western methods.

really take the time to let that sink in so we avoid miscommunicating in the future.



at least someone has reading comprehension skills

ive said it before and ill say it again. i would gather all the information pososible, get a wide variety of viewpoints, and then make the best decision based on available evidence.

Stop. I remember that thread because that's the first time I noticed how nuts you can be. The kid was paralyzed from a spinal hematoma and you repeatedly stated that he shouldn't have plates and screws to help him regain movement as recommended by a team of doctors because of course, you know better than them. You didn't even give any reason other than the screws and plates aren't "natural" and some shyt you made up how they would damage his bones, which of course you produced no evidence for.

You said over and over and over for like 10 pages "there's no reason to put screws and plates in this boy." You kept saying "it's just a bruise." Your didn't seem to know that a bruise simply means a contusion of tissue. If it's in the wrong place like in this case the spinal cord, it could be life-threatening. You were thinking all bruises are like when you fall and bruise your knee.

The kid was PARALYZED! Your herbal teas and breathing techniques aren't going to do anything for dead nerve tissue. That was probably the most ridiculous argument I ever read from anybody in the history of this site. I hoped you've smartened up at least some since then.

Also, not once have I ever mis-stated anything you said. You are generally ill-informed and you don't understand the full implications and logical conclusions of statements you make. I cut out all your extra bs and say the core of what you're really saying, them you tell me I'm distorting your words.

 

[OsO]

Stop. I remember that thread because that's the first time I noticed how nuts you can be. The kid was paralyzed from a spinal hematoma and you repeatedly stated that he shouldn't have plates and screws to help him regain movement as recommended by a team of doctors because of course, you know better than them. You didn't even give any reason other than the screws and plates aren't "natural" and some shyt you made up how they would damage his bones, which of course you produced no evidence for.

You said over and over and over for like 10 pages "there's no reason to put screws and plates in this boy." You kept saying "it's just a bruise." Your didn't seem to know that a bruise simply means a contusion of tissue. If it's in the wrong place like in this case the spinal cord, it could be life-threatening. You were thinking all bruises are like when you fall and bruise your knee.

The kid was PARALYZED! Your herbal teas and breathing techniques aren't going to do anything for dead nerve tissue. That was probably the most ridiculous argument I ever read from anybody in the history of this site. I hoped you've smartened up at least some since then.

i said the same thing in that thread as i said in this thread-- if i have the time im gathering all the data, im getting multiple opinions, im examining all the information and then making an informed decision.

so in this case, the boys conditioning wasn't worsening so i would have the time to gather multiple opinions. so therefore i would NOT move forward with getting the metal plate and screws put into his spine until it was absolutely necessary and advocated by multiple doctors and specialists from multiple hospitals.

Also, not once have I ever mis-stated anything you said. You are generally ill-informed and you don't understand the full implications and logical conclusions of statements you make. I cut out all your extra bs and say the core of what you're really saying, them you tell me I'm distorting your words.

you THINK you're saying the core of what im saying, but trust me youre not. youve been misquoting me for years, and ive been calling you out on it for years. it's sad really.

it doesnt affect me personally and i would much rather just ignore it, but i have a responsibility to correct you when you start misinforming people concerning my statements. and i barely post on here so i can only imagine how many times youve actually referenced me or misrepresented something i said.

i also thought we came to an agreement that you would stop obsessing over me and referencing me in threads. but yet you saw a thread with my name and you came running lol. i see now that you'll never stop thinking about me... i own your soul

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

i said the same thing in that thread as i said in this thread-- if i have the time im gathering all the data, im getting multiple opinions, im examining all the information and then making an informed decision.

so in this case, the boys conditioning wasn't worsening so i would have the time to gather multiple opinions. so therefore i would NOT move forward with getting the metal plate and screws put into his spine until it was absolutely necessary and advocated by multiple doctors and specialists from multiple hospitals.

Uh, he DID have multiple recommendations from doctors who all said it was absolutely necessary. The mother initially refused treatment. That's why the hospital took the effort of getting multiple medical opinions to make their case in court, which it was headed to before the mother gave in. All that was stated in the article. You still kept repeatedly saying there's no reason to the plates and screws in.

So like I said...

"Leyet said a boy with a bruised spinal cord that was mostly paralyzed shouldn't get screws and plates inserted to help regain movement like a team of doctors recommended and should take herbs and see a holistic healer."

I didn't distort shyt. That's exactly what you said. lol...I don't know what's with this crazy habit you have of telling people they're distorting your words when all they do is re-state what you said pretty much verbatim.

you THINK you're saying the core of what im saying, but trust me youre not. youve been misquoting me for years, and ive been calling you out on it for years. it's sad really.

it doesnt affect me personally and i would much rather just ignore it, but i have a responsibility to correct you when you start misinforming people concerning my statements. and i barely post on here so i can only imagine how many times youve actually referenced me or misrepresented something i said.

lol...I don't even feel like having this conversation anymore, but I have never ever ever ever ever misquoted you...not one single time ever. I'm very meticulous and detailed with everything. All I do quote you exactly then you get mad because I can easily point out the holes in your wacky ass viewpoints, lol.

I think you have some cognitive dissonance going on where on some level you know you're full of shyt, and you don't like people casting light on your rants because you know they don't hold up to any scrutiny outside of your brain.

i also thought we came to an agreement that you would stop obsessing over me and referencing me in threads. but yet you saw a thread with my name and you came running lol. i see now that you'll never stop thinking about me... i own your soul

Don't flatter yourself. You're an afterthought. You get @ and mentioned a lot because you play a role here, albeit that of a jester. Just like Sly was the go-to guy for the Republican view on the old board, or DEAD7 is the go-to guy for libertarianism here, etc. you are the go-to for psuedoscientific, conspiratorial smartdumb nikka garbage.

 

[thekingsmen]

Damn VVD is so tight about Leye T, sounds too emotional about what another man is doing.

 

[88m3]

Damn VVD is so tight about Leye T, sounds too emotional about what another man is doing.

:chrismad:

 

[OsO]

Uh, he DID have multiple recommendations from doctors who all said it was absolutely necessary. The mother initially refused treatment. That's why the hospital took the effort of getting multiple medical opinions to make their case in court, which it was headed to before the mother gave in. All that was stated in the article. You still kept repeatedly saying there's no reason to the plates and screws in.

So like I said...

"Leyet said a boy with a bruised spinal cord that was mostly paralyzed shouldn't get screws and plates inserted to help regain movement like a team of doctors recommended and should take herbs and see a holistic healer."

I didn't distort shyt. That's exactly what you said. lol...I don't know what's with this crazy habit you have of telling people they're distorting your words when all they do is re-state what you said pretty much verbatim.




lol...I don't even feel like having this conversation anymore, but I have never ever ever ever ever misquoted you...not one single time ever. I'm very meticulous and detailed with everything. All I do quote you exactly then you get mad because I can easily point out the holes in your wacky ass viewpoints, lol.

I think you have some cognitive dissonance going on where on some level you know you're full of shyt, and you don't like people casting light on your rants because you know they don't hold up to any scrutiny outside of your brain.



Don't flatter yourself. You're an afterthought. You get @ and mentioned a lot because you play a role here, albeit that of a jester. Just like Sly was the go-to guy for the Republican view on the old board, or DEAD7 is the go-to guy for libertarianism here, etc. you are the go-to for psuedoscientific, conspiratorial smartdumb nikka garbage.

so how about this... if i find something you misquoted me on you leave this forum forever.

if i cant, ill leave the forum forever.

deal?

:chrismad:

you stay defending your boyfriend lol... disgusting

 

[88m3]

you stay defending your boyfriend lol... disgusting

tell me more about how water cures cancer


pushing 40 and children in grade school are more educated than you are

 

[Brosef]

you have an incorrect view of my position. i think "western" medicine and "natural" medicine can both be beneficial and ive said that many times. they both have their own strengths and weaknesses and it's about assessing the medical situation of the individual.

i dont buy into western medicine as the only option, especially when medical malpractice is a leading cause of death for americans. plus we have more people sick, in pain, and on drugs than at any other time in history. all this to me suggests our health care system is not doing a good job.

i also happen to know things like herbs, meditation, proper breathing, a good diet, massage therapy, acupuncture, yoga, etc., all have legitimate health benefits, especially the herbs. herbs have been healing people naturally for thousands of years and some idiots still doubt their validity, despite the fact most pharmaceuticals when they are created are usually designed to mimic natural compounds discovered in plants.

my general theory on healing: if i have the time i will utilize natural methods because natural methods are safer and their effects more permanent. if the medical condition does not allow enough time for natural methods then i will utilize western methods. it's really whatever the situation calls for.go learn how to properly read a scientific study you brown stained shytty mouth bytch

Show me the evidence.

You can't.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

so how about this... if i find something you misquoted me on you leave this forum forever.

if i cant, ill leave the forum forever.

deal?



you stay defending your boyfriend lol... disgusting

Nah because if I say you said the sky is really red not blue, you'd say some shyt like "You're misquoting me. I clearly said the sky is really red if one is looking through the pineal gland while performing a tai chi kata with a bamboo stick tied to your penis after 7.25 hours of Egyptian yoga meditation, 2 gallons of liquid life energy, and 5 sensu beans soaked in liquid chlorophyll while Orion is aligned with the Pyramids of Giza on the Luciferian sabbath. Learn reading comprehension."