Let's Talk Afro-Geopolitics II: The Future of the Nigerian State

Will Nigeria Make it 2060 (Its 100 Anniversary of Independance)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 47.4%
  • No

    Votes: 30 52.6%

  • Total voters
    57

North of Death

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When the Yorubas create a leader like Nnamdi Kanu, Nigeria is over. Yorubas are the key.
Indeed, it will be a new day. Once its done infrastructure and manufacturing needs to be the first order of business.. For me nothing else matters until those issues are seriously addressed
 

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After going home last year to visit, im convinced that Naija needs to be 3 different countries...I actually visited the University of Ibadan and it was terrible. Power went out multiple times, web administrators begging for money so that I can have access to WIFI, food subpar smh...And dont get me started on the airport in Lagos..This is supposed to be an international airport hub and its worse than your local regional airport in the states..I am ready for each major tribe to be its own country outright, its the only way forward as I see it.

That airport is a joke. Leaky ceilings and it was my first time in three years back to Lagos and this airport always seems like it is under permanent construction or renovation (reminds of the DC metro system LOL). It's never a finished product. even if you were to give it 10 years.

On aside note, I went to a suya place. I got a Sharwarma and fries for what I thought was 1500 Naira. For some odd reason the guy making it didn't want me to pay it to the cashier, I found it odd. I thought dude was going to give me some type of discount or hook me up. He tells the cashier that I ordered just the sharwama for 1000 Naira. I thought he was looking out but this guy wanted to collect the extra 500 Naira on my way out of the place. This basically sums up Nigeria and even "corruption" on the low level. I basically wouldn't let anybody do a favor for me at any time because I always expected people to expect me to pay money. The things we take for granted in the US for just someone looking out for you in daily life (hailing a cab for you or telling you you dropped something on the metro, giving you directions to a new place when you seem lost) all of these things people expect you to hand over a little something for that. Culture of poverty and corruption meshed in one has contributed to it.

The thieving men and women at the top do not get shamed and so society normalizes and even rewards corruption that's why the women LOVE money because they see men who haven't earned it instead have stolen it spend it recklessly and see it as the norm. The extreme deference that people have for you when they think you have money is scary (People kept calling me "chairman" uncomfortable as hell). I was talking to a young guy who was telling me that women won't even talk to you if you tell them you live on the mainland LOL.

Couldn't even use my company/business card because commercial places don't take international credit cards if there is no PIN associated with it. I had to basically run to the ATM use my personal debit card and guesstimate how much money I would need for the week and avoid rack up international withdrawal ATM fees from UBA, Access & Ecobank And that's if they had any money in these ATM machines to be withdrawn and they say Lagos is supposed to be a regional commercial hub when you can't even use credit cards issued from non-Nigerian banks.
 
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That airport is a joke. Leaky ceilings and it was my first time in three years back to Lagos and this airport always seems like it is under permanent construction or renovation (reminds of the DC metro system LOL). It's never a finished product. even if you were to give it 10 years.

On aside note, I went to a suya place. I got a Sharwarma and fries for what I thought was 1500 Naira. For some odd reason the guy making it didn't want me to pay it to the cashier, I found it odd. I thought dude was going to give me some type of discount or hook me up. He tells the cashier that I ordered just the sharwama for 1000 Naira. I thought he was looking out but this guy wanted to collect the extra 500 Naira on my way out of the place. This basically sums up Nigeria and even "corruption" on the low level. I basically wouldn't let anybody do a favor for me at any time because I always expected people to expect me to pay money. The things we take for granted in the US for just someone looking out for you in daily life (hailing a cab for you or telling you you dropped something on the metro, giving you directions to a new place when you seem lost) all of these things people expect you to hand over a little something for that. Culture of poverty and corruption meshed in one has contributed to it.

The thieving men and women at the top do not get shamed and so society normalizes and even rewards corruption that's why the women LOVE money because they see men who haven't earned it instead have stolen it spend it recklessly and see it as the norm. The extreme deference that people have for you when they think you have money is scary (People kept calling me "chairman" uncomfortable as hell). I was talking to a young guy who was telling me that women won't even talk to you if you tell them you live on the mainland LOL.

Couldn't even use my company/business card because commercial places don't take international credit cards if there is no PIN associated with it. I had to basically run to the ATM use my personal debit card and guesstimate how much money I would need for the week and avoid rack up international withdrawal ATM fees from UBA, Access & Ecobank And that's if they had any money in these ATM machines to be withdrawn and they say Lagos is supposed to be a regional commercial hub when you can't even use credit cards issued from non-Nigerian banks.
Got dam brah you hit the nail on the head....Soon as I touched down at the airport I had the muthafukkin customs who checking my bag begging me for money so that they could "pop bubbly"...Like you said, I also had bagman asking for money just to help me with my bags or for directions..I even had to give a few dollars to the front desks people to use the phone to call my cousin..And then we walked from the airport scores of people on the streets begging or trying to sell us things...On our way from Lagos to Ibadan every stop we made people came up to the car begging and trying to sell me things..I got so annoyed I ended up just ducking my head down the entire way until we got to Ibadan..The infrastructure is so terrible, I seen a car get its entire front bumper knocked off due to the potholes. My peoples took me to the market in Ibadan to exchange money and even my own people were trying to charge me a fee! ...I tell my friends in the states that Nigeria really isnt a place to visit if you dont have family there. I suggest to most of my friends in the states to go to Ghana if they want a West African experience without all the complications of Nigeria..Its really a shame because the country has so much potential but without restructuring or outright breaking up of the regions into individual countries I dont see a way forward.
 

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I have a theory that goes like this...Whether Nigeria makes it to 2060 is quite impossible to gauge, but assuming it doesn't the split will come through violence. I say this because whether Nigerians like it or not, it is not only the elite in Nigeria that have a stake in the unity of the country but the British. The Powers that be will NEVER allow a referendum to decide the fate of Nigeria. This means the only avenue is war. From the FLQ in Quebec to the Basque separatist group ETA, violence was the only way they finally got what they desired.

Why such difficulty to split Nigeria apart? Resource Control. Resource control has literally been the center of this discussion.

Now another question is, We know Nigeria will not split into 2...the worst case scenario is as much as 10 countries could come out of Nigeria (maybe even more). So how will Nigeria split?

Lastly with all this being said, is a split the only realistically viable option? What would a true federation or confederation look like?
 

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Nigeria dominated African football in the 90s. They were turning out world class players like it was nothing plus they won an Olympic Gold against Brazil in '96.
I know but I was referring to Igbos with that comment :mjpls:
 
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