I see a bunch of guesswork with nothing definitive or explanation of the iron ore industry or pygmies that come from Punt.
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I see a bunch of guesswork with nothing definitive or explanation of the iron ore industry or pygmies that come from Punt.
If Punt also included Pgymies. Then the term "Punt" was more like "Ethiopian" or "Nubian" where it could have generally referred to Africans deeper in the interior than those found in Sudan perhaps. More importantly the Puntites were known to be well versed in maritime if I remember correctly. That fits closely with Horners.
China too. In 1418, a Chinese admiral named Zheng He, led expeditions with fleets that would make those of Christopher Columbus look like toys. On one of expeditions, one of the vessels was shipwrecked off the coast of Lamu (Kenya) with Chinese survivors swimming ashore , intermarrying with locals and leaving behind offspring and descendants that DNA tests have confirmed to have Chinese ‘blood"Damn... Europeans were killing themselves to trade with Indian for a LONG ass time. And hold and behold a people from AFRICA were ALREADY trading with India and kept it hidden from them.
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Nothing definitive exists. But scholars seem to be in agreement that it was in the Horn of Africa.
Nothing definitive exists. But scholars seem to be in agreement that it was in the Horn of Africa.
"Scholars" are consistently wrong when doing guesswork
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The Baboon species that was sacred and worshiped by the Egyptians sometimes depicted as the god Thoth was the Hamadyras baboon. Granted they may have preferred this specific species because it looks unique and easier to tame.
I would say Puntland was probably the horn. But I have always seen Eritrea as more likely to be Punt than Somalia.
But your comment about baboons being mostly found in the horn is false, as a whole, the south east african savannah region has a much higher population.
The Baboon species that was sacred and worshiped by the Egyptians sometimes depicted as the god Thoth was the Hamadyras baboon. Granted they may have preferred this specific species because it looks unique and easier to tame.
I would say Puntland was probably the horn. But I have always seen Eritrea as more likely to be Punt than Somalia.
But your comment about baboons being mostly found in the horn is false, as a whole, the south east african savannah region has a much higher population.
I too most likely see Eritrea. But those for Somalia make good points and so i leave it.
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Speaking of Zheng He. He touched Somalia as well.
Below is supposed to be a map from Zheng He’s travels I found online
At that time, wealthy coastal East African towns had increased their importation of Chinese wares such as porcelain as the usual supply of pottery from the Middle East was unsettled by the 13th century Mongol invasion of the Middle East. By the 14th century porcelain from China was used in almost every important coastal settlement and were slowly edging Islamic goods out of the market.
Zheng He’s 4th expedition was not destined to sail to the African coast in 1414. Originally it was headed for the Gulf. The interest in Africa was a matter of pure chance and was due to some of Zheng He’s crew discovering a giraffe in Bengal.
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Mogadishu sent envoys to China in 1416
It is also possible that Zheng He may have also met a party of merchants from Mogadishu around the time he collected the ambassadors from Malindi and the giraffe. He invited these merchants to organize a mission to Peking. These envoys, now from Mogadishu were finally able to make it to China a year after in 1416 and arrived at the Chinese court bringing with them a deputation from Brava, a state to the south of Mogadishu.
Zheng He escorted them back
As during 1416, Zheng He had returned from his latest round of voyages and while in China, he was instructed to escort these men from Mogadishu and Brava back to their home and to bestow rewards on their rulers. This would be the first formal visit backed by the Chinese government to Africa and this happened 450 years before the first Chinese envoys reached Europe.
From information limited to written Chinese records, for most of the time, Zheng He and his crew were in the northern end of the East African coast. They visited Mogadishu, Brava and even a settlement called Zhubu which is thought to have lain near the Juba River near the Kenyan border. They entered into relations with ‘Sumalier’ (different Somali nomads from the hinterland). However, this may not account for the full extent of Zheng He’s activity in East Africa.
Africans in Ancient China & Vice Versa, Part 3: Zheng He’s Star Fleet–Guest Blog by Eccentric Yoruba
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Archaeological excavations have recovered many coins from China, Sri Lanka, and Vietnam. The majority of the Chinese coins date to the Song Dynasty, although the Ming Dynasty and Qing Dynasty "are also represented," according to Richard Pankhurst.
Mogadishu at this time was the leading Islamic centre in the region and a prosperous well-functioning state. According to Ibn Battutat the Sultan had a retinue of wazirs (ministers), legal experts, commanders, royal eunuchs, and other officials at his beck and call.
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Speaking of Zheng He. He touched Somalia as well.
Below is supposed to be a map from Zheng He’s travels I found online
At that time, wealthy coastal East African towns had increased their importation of Chinese wares such as porcelain as the usual supply of pottery from the Middle East was unsettled by the 13th century Mongol invasion of the Middle East. By the 14th century porcelain from China was used in almost every important coastal settlement and were slowly edging Islamic goods out of the market.
Zheng He’s 4th expedition was not destined to sail to the African coast in 1414. Originally it was headed for the Gulf. The interest in Africa was a matter of pure chance and was due to some of Zheng He’s crew discovering a giraffe in Bengal.
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Mogadishu sent envoys to China in 1416
It is also possible that Zheng He may have also met a party of merchants from Mogadishu around the time he collected the ambassadors from Malindi and the giraffe. He invited these merchants to organize a mission to Peking. These envoys, now from Mogadishu were finally able to make it to China a year after in 1416 and arrived at the Chinese court bringing with them a deputation from Brava, a state to the south of Mogadishu.
Zheng He escorted them back
As during 1416, Zheng He had returned from his latest round of voyages and while in China, he was instructed to escort these men from Mogadishu and Brava back to their home and to bestow rewards on their rulers. This would be the first formal visit backed by the Chinese government to Africa and this happened 450 years before the first Chinese envoys reached Europe.
From information limited to written Chinese records, for most of the time, Zheng He and his crew were in the northern end of the East African coast. They visited Mogadishu, Brava and even a settlement called Zhubu which is thought to have lain near the Juba River near the Kenyan border. They entered into relations with ‘Sumalier’ (different Somali nomads from the hinterland). However, this may not account for the full extent of Zheng He’s activity in East Africa.
Africans in Ancient China & Vice Versa, Part 3: Zheng He’s Star Fleet–Guest Blog by Eccentric Yoruba
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Archaeological excavations have recovered many coins from China, Sri Lanka, and Vietnam. The majority of the Chinese coins date to the Song Dynasty, although the Ming Dynasty and Qing Dynasty "are also represented," according to Richard Pankhurst.
Mogadishu at this time was the leading Islamic centre in the region and a prosperous well-functioning state. According to Ibn Battutat the Sultan had a retinue of wazirs (ministers), legal experts, commanders, royal eunuchs, and other officials at his beck and call.
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