Lets Talk African History:"Sahel" West African Civilizations

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"Mali was the source of almost half the Old World's gold exported from mines in Bambuk, Boure and Galam."
(--Stride, G.T & C. Ifeka. Peoples and Empires of
West Africa: West Africa in History 1000-1800".
Nelson, 1971)

"The most important foundation of Malian power,however, was control of gold, and it is as a man of gold that Mansa Musa is still remembered. His story is quite important to world economic history, since the supply of gold he commanded played a crucial role in the economic growth of the Mediterranean."
--Merry E. Wiesner 2002. Discovering the Global Past

"It should be remembered here that during the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries there was an acute shortage of precious metals in Europe and in the Muslim lands and that the only really important source of gold was in the western Sudan and its hinterland."
--M. Ma³owist (1966). The Social and Economic Stability of the Western Sudan in the Middle Ages. Source: Past and Present, No. 33, (Apr., 1966), pp.3-15. Published by: Oxford University Press


"From an examination of Omari's writings, which come from the same period and are based on Sudanese
accounts, it may be concluded that particularly agriculture and fruit-gathering, and also, in certain parts of the country, hunting and the rearing of livestock, assured the Mali peasants of a relatively prosperous and independent life, satisfying their needs without much contact with the outside world."

Arab travellers from the fourteenth to the sixteenth centuries all tell us that Mali towns Timbuktu, Gao and lesser places - were in general well supplied with victuals, and there is no doubt that the towns obtained some of their provisions by trade with the peasantry. The rural areas had a surplus of agricultural and animal products which was dispatched for sale in the towns. Ibn Batoutah and other sources indicate that the western Sudan even exported a certain amount of millet and rice to the Sahel regions, not only to Walata but also farther towards the districts where rock-salt and copper were exploited for import into the Sudan.


“Jaime Cortesao has drawn historians' attention to Portuguese sources of the early fifteenth century, according to which Portuguese gold currency was at that time based on importing from Morocco gold which must have come from the Sudan. The same author is of the opinion that it was above all in Sudanese gold that Morocco paid the import costs for European and Levantine goods brought by the Genoese and the Venetiansl2 a suggestion confirmed by several Italian documents. It should be added that Sudanese trade was not the only way in which Sudanese gold in large quantities reached Egypt and the
Near East. Sudanese pilgrims, who each year visited Egypt and the holy places of Islam in Arabia, brought with them very considerable quantities of gold to spend on the journey and on arrival in Cairo, Mecca and Medina.
----M. Ma³owist (1966). The Social and Economic Stability of the Western Sudan in the Middle Ages. Source: Past and Present, No. 33, (Apr., 1966), pp. 3-15. Published by: Oxford University Press.

"The rising European demand for gold, added to the perennial market in the Islamic states, stimulated more gold production in the Sudan, to the enormous fiscal advantage of Mali. In the latest medieval period overall, West Africa may have been producing almost two-thirds of the world's gold supply."
-- Ross E. Dunn. 1987. The adventures of Ibn Battuta, a Muslim traveler of the fourteenth century
 

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Dubois, Felix. Timbuctoo the Mysterious

Interesting...:whoo:

Yup. There's a story about three arab professors who went to Timbuktu, thinking they would be one of the most learned men there. Once they got there and saw that they couldn't equal the Sudanic professors, they went to Morocco instead. lol
 

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Yup. There's a story about three arab professors who went to Timbuktu, thinking they would be one of the most learned men there. Once they got there and saw that they couldn't equal the Sudanic professors, they went to Morocco instead. lol
Really debunks the myth about "dumb Africans" always being dependent on foreigners throughout history. When that wasn't the case.
 

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Like other important Medieval West African cities – such as Jenné,Gao,and Dia, – Timbuktu also has an earlier Iron Age manifestation predating its traditional foundation date. This earlier Timbuktu began during the 5th century BC, thrived throughout the second half of the 1st millennium AD and eventually collapsed sometime during the late 10th or early 11th century AD. Initial investigation into the Iron Age population occurred in 1984 during a Malian-US led archaeological reconnaissance along the el-Ahmar, an ancient wadi system which narrowly skirts past the eastern extent of the modern city. The first excavations targeting the city's pre-Medieval context were conducted by the Mission Culturelle de Tombouctou and Yale University over 13 months between 2008 and 2010 at the expansive Iron Age urban complex called Tombouze.
 

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Here some info about Construction in Mali in the middle ages:

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Berber Trade with Timbuktu 1300.
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Now this is black excellence x100...

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Care to drop addition info?

:ohhh: So without africans there is no money to fund Da Vinci's crazy experiments? Damn, man might have been set back another 1000 years.
 
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:ohhh: So without africans there is no money to fund Da Vinci's crazy experiments? Damn, man might have been set back another 1000 years.

Forget that... Europe would have possibly be filled with third world countries as seen with some Eastern European countries. Most would be looking like Albania. They would be behind not only economically but also technology wise. The West as we know it wouldn't be the West we know it as. So whenever someone says Africa is third world or has always been poor; point them to this.
 

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Forget that... Europe would have possibly be filled with third world countries as seen with some Eastern European countries. Most would be looking like Albania. They would be behind not only economically but also technology wise. The West as we know it wouldn't be the West we know it as. So whenever someone says Africa is third world or has always been poor; point them to this.

It ain't poor NOW, don't confuse mishandling of resources with natural wealth. Let Africa close all her ports today, I bet you Africa would be straight (probably better off) while the rest of the world would be hurting severely.
 

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Threads like these often times make me feel like a shameful c00n.....I consider myself pro-black....but I've still got a LOT to learn out here....:wow:
 
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