Let's talk about the MIND. :mindblown:

[Type Username Here]

but we did not create evolution nor did we create ourselves originally, depending on the current understanding of our universe or all possible universes.

because we can create a more perfect simulation of our intelligence does not mean that we are simply what we create. we create much more life than we do artificial life, do we not.

we are not simply a product of what provides us power, nor can we be simply defined by what we produce.

there is at least, one additional dimension to consciousness that provides us with the faculty of perception, that is too central to our existence to be restricted to the material properties that define us scientifically. even if it happens to be a complete and utter illusion.

No, you make valid points. It's not a theory without many objections, I admit.

But it's also important from a philosophical standpoint of understanding minds, is that we only have our minds as a frame of reference. Same goes with evolution. We think that sub-atomic particles do not have a conscious purpose or are able to fall into the realm of evolution, but is that accurate? It might very well be, and I think it is, but I can't rule out the other scenario

 

[Mr. Somebody]

We have souls. The body is a vessel. If you die, and your spirit is gone, recreating your dna structure will not make you as you know and feel yourself right now, conciously rise in the recreated vessel. Obviously, thats an opinion and a feeling so i cant prove it.

 

[cleanface coney]

sent you a pm. will read through your other post and respond shortly.

yea im interested in astral projection
not neccessarily trying to achieve it

what was the experience like
did you use the Chakra Technique
what type of diet were you on?

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

Body - car
Heart - engine
Brain - transmission
Soul - Driver

All of the souls come from the same manufacturer - God

God - universal counsiousness - manufacture owner

 

[Vagina Thief]

 

[OsO]

when i think of mind i think of AWARENESS. an awareness of oneself and our internal "thoughts" and "feelings." and also an awareness of ones external environment.

the body is just an avatar. a state-of-the-art human flesh machine. our physical brains INTERPRETS this physical reality and constructs this holographic 3-D projection for us to live and have our being in.

but imo our consciousness does not originate in the third density, it exists on multiple levels of density simultaneously. so if the physical 3D brain "dies" awareness still lives on.

just like when we go to sleep or lose consciousness, the physical body shuts down but awareness is still active and highly functioning.

 

[Type Username Here]

when i think of mind i think of AWARENESS. an awareness of oneself and our internal "thoughts" and "feelings." and also an awareness of ones external environment.

the body is just an avatar. a state-of-the-art human flesh machine. our physical brains INTERPRETS this physical reality and constructs this holographic 3-D projection for us to live and have our being in.

but imo our consciousness does not originate in the third density, it exists on multiple levels of density simultaneously. so if the physical 3D brain "dies" awareness still lives on.

just like when we go to sleep or lose consciousness, the physical body shuts down but awareness is still active and highly functioning.

Proof? Is this your opinion or are you stating it as fact?


Also when you lose consciousness or you are asleep, you are still breathing, and blood is still flowing to your brain. When you die, those things do't happen.

You are advocating a type of dualism that I find absurd to be honest with you. I much prefer the type where the physical allows us to tap into conscious energy, and that when you "die" so does your access into that energy.

 

[OsO]

Proof? Is this your opinion or are you stating it as fact?


Also when you lose consciousness or you are asleep, you are still breathing, and blood is still flowing to your brain. When you die, those things do't happen.

You are advocating a type of dualism that I find absurd to be honest with you. I much prefer the type where the physical allows us to tap into conscious energy, and that when you "die" so does your access into that energy.

but imo our consciousness does not originate in the third density, it exists on multiple levels of density simultaneously. so if the physical 3D brain "dies" awareness still lives on.

just like when we go to sleep or lose consciousness, the physical body shuts down but awareness is still active and highly functioning.

i understand your perspective. thats why i asked esposito how would he prove it scientifically because i couldnt come up with that answer myself. whether we talk about astral projection, or lucid dreaming, or remote viewing, others can always make the argument that our minds ability to perform these functions is rooted in the activity of the physical brain.

different levels of awareness can be internally experienced though... and i know all levels of awareness are not dependent on the physical brain. but i cant prove it to you scientifically

 

[Type Username Here]

i understand your perspective. thats why i asked esposito how would he prove it scientifically because i couldnt come up with that answer myself. whether we talk about astral projection, or lucid dreaming, or remote viewing, others can always make the argument that our minds ability to perform these functions is rooted in the activity of the physical brain.

Yes, I am in the same boat. I'm a person that puts his chip in science and the scientific method, so even thought I believe certain things, I always defer to those who ask for scientific evidence. I can't provide it, so my opinion or beliefs are wrong until I or someone else can provide the proof. I think it's a good system. It might slow down the advance of certain things, but it's the only "fair" system.

different levels of awareness can be internally experienced though... and i know all levels of awareness are not dependent on the physical brain. but i cant prove it to you scientifically

Can you give me an example of what you mean? How do you know what you know is not an illusion that your brain has created?

I'm asking because I am writing an extremely large and detailed philosophical paper on this very subject, and could use different perspectives to shape an argument.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

You should take a cognitive psychology class, you'd be amazed at what psychologists know about the brain. Was probably one of the most interesting classes I've taken at college.

Just a weird random example, If you talk to a child around 5 years old who has a brother and you ask him, "Do you have a brother" he'll say "Yes" but if you ask him "Does your Brother have a brother?" he'll say "No" because children that young don't have the ability to think from someone elses perspective.

 

[malbaker86]

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

i understand your perspective. thats why i asked esposito how would he prove it scientifically because i couldnt come up with that answer myself. whether we talk about astral projection, or lucid dreaming, or remote viewing, others can always make the argument that our minds ability to perform these functions is rooted in the activity of the physical brain.

different levels of awareness can be internally experienced though... and i know all levels of awareness are not dependent on the physical brain. but i cant prove it to you scientifically

"There is now convincing evidence to challenge the current theory that consciousness can only exist inside the brain - and if you can have consciousness without associated brain function, that is enormously important for our understanding of the mind," he said.
For his latest research, 60 patients at Southampton General Hospital's coronary care unit were interviewed after heart attacks had left them temporarily brain-dead. Seven reported near-death experiences - defined by characteristic features such as a feeling of leaving your body, going through a tunnel and entering an area of "love, bliss and consciousness".

"The significance of this is that after a cardiac arrest you lose consciousness within eight seconds; within 11 seconds the brain's rhythms become flat, and within 18 seconds there is no possibility of the brain creating a model of the world - so the brain is down," said Dr Fenwick.

"Yet whenever we asked people when their near-death experiences occurred, they said it was during unconsciousness. If that's true, their experience was occurring when there was no blood flowing through the brain - and consciousness would appear to exist outside the brain."

 

[OsO]

Yes, I am in the same boat. I'm a person that puts his chip in science and the scientific method, so even thought I believe certain things, I always defer to those who ask for scientific evidence. I can't provide it, so my opinion or beliefs are wrong until I or someone else can provide the proof. I think it's a good system. It might slow down the advance of certain things, but it's the only "fair" system.

instead of viewing it as "wrong," view more along the lines of "undecided" or "neutral," because we are not 100% sure that that is NOT the case, although at this current point we may not be able to prove it scientifically.

this is important mentally because the mind weighs all incoming information in the context of prior beliefs. so if you have a belief that the mind cannot exist without the physical body, then you will be influenced to interpret the incoming information in that paradigm. so basically thats why its so easy for humans to only truly investigate and interact with information that supports their viewpoints.

i myself too am guilty of this, of looking at information only in a way that can support my prior beliefs, and not weighing all sides equally. and then even worse is not doing my due diligence in the follow-up investigation of the true facts.

Can you give me an example of what you mean? How do you know what you know is not an illusion that your brain has created?

this whole shyt is an illusion that my brain creates. made out of atoms that combine to create a pattern that creates an object thats here for a brief moment and then gone.

our physical vessel, brain included, can only "interact" with about 3% of the energy around us. and energy at its most fundamental level contains information, sort of like cosmic dna. but with our human senses and with our human body we can only handle that small percentage of the incoming energy/information. so the physical reality projection we are creating with our brain/senses is a shytty representation of what really exists.

I'm asking because I am writing an extremely large and detailed philosophical paper on this very subject, and could use different perspectives to shape an argument.

to be honest ive had some very powerful experiences in meditations. and ive experienced completely different states of awareness of who i am and where i am.

but i think you have to make peace with whether youre looking for a philosophical argument, an experiential argument, or a scientific argument, or how youre going to blend the three.

but type you truly believe that once this physical vessel body dies, everything you are ceases to exist?

 

[Type Username Here]

but type you truly believe that once this physical vessel body dies, everything you are ceases to exist?

Yes, I think it's a symbiotic relationship.

The best way I can describe it would be comparing us to an old school short wave radio. Our minds are the "antenna" capable of "Receiving" and tapping into the vibrations of existence. But the antenna is a physical thing, and is dependent on the rest of the radio components to do its full job.

Also, an "antenna" by itself is worthless. The signal might be there, but without something to interpret it subjectively, it is meaningless. The radio without the antenna is also worthless.

Sorry for the bad analogy, only way I can describe it.