Let's talk about the MIND. :mindblown:

[usopp]

Man there was a point in time I got deep in astral projection to the point that's all I could think of. I've been trying to experience one myself and verify it by like checking up on what my Grandmas doing 100s of miles away, then call her later on to verify what I've seen.

Crazy stuff.

Have you ever experienced it

i tried an exercise back in 2006, where you anchor an image in your mind (it could be whatever image and/or memory you want it to be), then you you visualize a tunnel reaching from your mind 2 whatever/wherever you wanted 2 go.
for a while i could see random people from a far off distance doing things like drinking coffee and having a discussion or exercising and whatever

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

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The Esposito Himself

Well, it's a paradox if you think about it. Infinite possibilities of something being possible, positive or negative, should overrule the positive or negative. For example, the infinitely possible can create a world full of unicorns. But because the possibilities are infinite, there's the possibility that there will not be a world full of unicorns. Only one possibility can exist but they both exist because the possibilities are infinite. Paradox. But there can ALSO be the possibility that both a negative and positive instance can exist...but that can't be POSSIBLE!!!

So infinite possibilities can't POSSIBLY exist is my guess. So I guess I overstepped my logic a bit.



Did you watch that video daze23 posted? It kind of goes hand in hand with what you're saying. The right hemisphere of the brain's information completely being dominated by the information accounted by the mind, from the left hemisphere of the brain. Right hemisphere promotes a oneness with the universe. The left, individuality.

And according to the dictionary, our minds are one...but separated by time:

the faculty of consciousness and thought

As I'm reading through your thoughts they become my own...

paradoxes are the most powerful thing in the universe. they are not only a microcosm of the balance, but the only thing that can halt a consciousness. once the 'mind' recognizes a paradox, it immediately blanks out. they are the true glitches to matrix, for lack of a better term. what else could defy logic but a paradox...if the universe is a consciousness, which generally follows from the theory of the mind outside the brain, then logic is one of, if not, the power behind it. if the universe is powered by logic, then, it is possible to halt the universe with a paradox big enough, powered by enough consciousnesses at once.

for instance, if our illusion of time was taken from us completely, like no motion at all or anything nor traveling thoughts, stuck in the moment, literally, then i could imagine that the universe could potentially collapse on itself, the inverse of how i believe the universe started. time started, or motion happened, and everything just was/is. again, this hinges on the potential power of earth's collective consciousness, the aggregate of any and all consciousness on this planet in addition to the rest of the universe, which is presently impossible to tell. it is probably impossible to tell what the power of one consciousness is. at least from a human perspective, but i wouldnt say that it is impossible, because even if a consciousness doesnt know it,which would make it not exist, if it exists, then it should be calculable somehow.

which means there must be another universe of the non-existant.

thats my only possible answer to the paradox.

 

[rocksteady]

imo

there is a small mind and a big mind, so to speak.

small mind is like software processed by the biological hardware (brain) and within the sphere of the physical body (not strictly residing within the confines of the brain itself, because i believe the heart to be an integral component).

big mind is our collective consciousness (not necessarily a phenomena exclusive to humanity, itself).

symbolically, the small mind being a drop of water in an endless ocean of the larger consciousness.

 

[zerozero]

I see the brain like a parasite. It uses the host (body) to do and get things that produce endorphins and feelings of peace, tranquility, happiness. Everything that is done or has ever been done involving humans, was for some brain or brains to create a situation were the chemicals that can produce euphoric feelings are released because thats what the brain organism uses to continue the advancement and reproduction of brains. That's why I see this digital age a step in the brain finding a way to escape this weak host that is able to get old sick and die

 

[OsO]

astral projection by far
sleep/dreams to a lesser extent
supernatural entities to a degree, though it is near impossible to verify
afterlife, though same applies as above

synchronicity is underrated as evidence as well, but the connection is a bit muddy for most to grasp

what if i said all of those phenomena you listed are subjective of one's personal experience and cannot be scientifically verified

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

I see the brain like a parasite. It uses the host (body) to do and get things that produce endorphins and feelings of peace, tranquility, happiness. Everything that is done or has ever been done involving humans, was for some brain or brains to create a situation were the chemicals that can produce euphoric feelings are released because thats what the brain organism uses to continue the advancement and reproduction of brains. That's why I see this digital age a step in the brain finding a way to escape this weak host that is able to get old sick and die

It won't make it far

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

I see the brain like a parasite. It uses the host (body) to do and get things that produce endorphins and feelings of peace, tranquility, happiness. Everything that is done or has ever been done involving humans, was for some brain or brains to create a situation were the chemicals that can produce euphoric feelings are released because thats what the brain organism uses to continue the advancement and reproduction of brains. That's why I see this digital age a step in the brain finding a way to escape this weak host that is able to get old sick and die

interesting take. so do you think that everything on earth that has a brain, technically, is a virus that plagues the natural earth..how would the brain escape the host of bodies that they exist in and migrate towards the digital world...unless you think that every piece of information and communications that we provide is a grand conspiracy of machinery/code that is attempting to phase us out and run on their own..i have thought about this, especially during the matrix movies and the thought is pretty terrifying..just want to know your opinion.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

what if i said all of those phenomena you listed are subjective of one's personal experience and cannot be scientifically verified

what if i said that everything is subjective of one's personal experience and could be scientifically verified but hasn't yet

these phenomena are reported to be in existence, and can thus be experienced, so why must it be currently scientifically verified when talking theoretically, particularly when the subject at large is the mind, which is also not scientifically verifiable, if examined under the same lens as the aforementioned phenomena.

 

[Type Username Here]

Materialism vs Dualism. It's what I wanted to talk about in the podcast.

There is definetely not a clear cut choice in my opinion. Although I lean towards materialism, there are aspects of Dualism that bring clear objections to the "pure-Materialistic" frame of argument.

 

[Type Username Here]

Also, there is nothing yet that says dualism can exist outside scientific evidence.

Conscious might be just the evolution of electric chargers, i.e., just an evolved form of energy that we think is special because it's our only frame of reference.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Materialism vs Dualism. It's what I wanted to talk about in the podcast.

There is definetely not a clear cut choice in my opinion. Although I lean towards materialism, there are aspects of Dualism that bring clear objections to the "pure-Materialistic" frame of argument.

We did talk about it. We used your topic proposal and you didn't show up.

 

[Type Username Here]

We did talk about it. We used your topic proposal and you didn't show up.

My apologies, I expressed to zerozero in a PM that I don't have as set a schedule as you guys. I have a family, child, home that comes first, and in top of that I'm a full-time STEM student.

Those circumstances dictate my schedule, but trust me that I tried.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Also, there is nothing yet that says dualism can exist outside scientific evidence.

Conscious might be just the evolution of electric chargers, i.e., just an evolved form of energy that we think is special because it's our only frame of reference.

i don't think so. electricity alone doesn't appear to be under the influence of evolution.

define electric chargers, i suppose, so i can get a better take on your opinion.

if we are just an evolved form of an energy, then we must be powering something. if we are simply powering something, then couldn't it be more evidence to my theory that the universe is a consciousness and our consciousnesses provides it power and perhaps cumulatively rules over it....evolution, as it appears, wouldn't happen as it does if the net result of our simple corporeal nature would essentially be akin to the dc current system instead of the more prevalent and effective ac current system, which would tend to lead towards the dualistic, as if the environment around us is fully electrical, yet we are connected to it and still remain sovereign from it simultaneously, then what, of a material nature would provide for that connection, outside of my explanation that the brain is the receiver of the signals from the mind, that is located elsewhere.

 

[Type Username Here]

i don't think so. electricity alone doesn't appear to be under the influence of evolution.

define electric chargers, i suppose, so i can get a better take on your opinion.

if we are just an evolved form of an energy, then we must be powering something. if we are simply powering something, then couldn't it be more evidence to my theory that the universe is a consciousness and our consciousnesses provides it power and perhaps cumulatively rules over it....evolution, as it appears, wouldn't happen as it does if the net result of our simple corporeal nature would essentially be akin to the dc current system instead of the more prevalent and effective ac current system, which would tend to lead towards the dualistic, as if the environment around us is fully electrical, yet we are connected to it and still remain sovereign from it simultaneously, then what, of a material nature would provide for that connection, outside of my explanation that the brain is the receiver of the signals from the mind, that is located elsewhere.

I look it like this friend. The basis of all sub-Atomic and Atomic particles are electrical charges and attraction. The bonds form atoms, atoms bond to form compounds, etc. Many abiogenesis theories have some kind of exterior energy/electricity applied for life to have from compounds. Our nerves and Brain function due to electro-chemical processes.

With that being said, what you really have to look at is artificial intelligence, robotics, and electrical engineering. We are essentially creating computing beings out of purely electrical signals. Electric pulses. We have discovered we can do a lot of things with electric theory, including possibly make sentient robots one day. As our understanding and manipulation of electric theory advances, we create better and better AI.

I don't think it's a coincidence. What evolution took 4 billion years to do, we might do in 250,000-300,000 years.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

I look it like this friend. The basis of all sub-Atomic and Atomic particles are electrical charges and attraction. The bonds form atoms, atoms bond to form compounds, etc. Many abiogenesis theories have some kind of exterior energy/electricity applied for life to have from compounds. Our nerves and Brain function due to electro-chemical processes.

With that being said, what you really have to look at is artificial intelligence, robotics, and electrical engineering. We are essentially creating computing beings out of purely electrical signals. Electric pulses. We have discovered we can do a lot of things with electric theory, including possibly make sentient robots one day. As our understanding and manipulation of electric theory advances, we create better and better AI.

I don't think it's a coincidence. What evolution took 4 billion years to do, we might do in 250,000-300,000 years.

but we did not create evolution nor did we create ourselves originally, depending on the current understanding of our universe or all possible universes.

because we can create a more perfect simulation of our intelligence does not mean that we are simply what we create. we create much more life than we do artificial life, do we not.

we are not simply a product of what provides us power, nor can we be simply defined by what we produce.

there is at least, one additional dimension to consciousness that provides us with the faculty of perception, that is too central to our existence to be restricted to the material properties that define us scientifically. even if it happens to be a complete and utter illusion.

when i say simply, btw, i dont mean that the opposing concept is simple, but i mean that no other variables are at play within the conceptual understanding of my opinion immediately conveyed, either just before or just after the use of the word.