If folks would be a bit more tolerant of other people's world views/opinions then the debates here would be much better but that would go for you and your obvious distaste for the religious too.
Lets talk about how pro-black but anti-gay, anti-science, and pro-religion the coli is
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I'm unwilling to concede ground to religion (as many black leaders at the turn of the 20th century were as well) because I understand how dogma allows scared people to retreat into a position of submission and servitude.
Julius Skrrvin
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Rustling jimmies out here...
I wouldn't say that HL is anti science apart from a couple abrahamic faith types..... same with the gay hate. Some of these dudes have personal issues with gay and trans people they gotta work on for sure 
I have no problem with the pro black cats but lets be honest how much of that is insecurity and racism wrapped up in a facsimile of pride?
Be nationalist, breh
I wouldn't say that HL is anti science apart from a couple abrahamic faith types..... same with the gay hate. Some of these dudes have personal issues with gay and trans people they gotta work on for sure I have no problem with the pro black cats but lets be honest how much of that is insecurity and racism wrapped up in a facsimile of pride?
Be nationalist, breh
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well there is no universal black agenda... that's why there are afrocentrics, pro black extremist, black blackeconomicist, and black elites. The you have this much melanin wouldn't have to come up if there weren't social economic and oppressive issues that need to be address.
For most of our history there were only black people.. and in the future there will only be black and brown people and some of the issues will be mitigated at the race level and hopefully the wealth gaps will decrease when the inventors of capitalism lose power and people become more aware of their power.
anyway, the gay agenda is all wrong. First off, it's too much. They shoot themselves in the foot. Instead of focusing on real rights like life, death, health, and taxes.. they wanna change the definition of marriage, cause a stir and fight up hill battles. Instead of just being gay and exercising sexual freedom, they wanna push that gay shyt all over media, movies, TV and become overrepresented and not appear like a oppressed group AT All. Instead of standing on their own feet, they wanna piggy back of black movements and basically disrespect everyone who have ever fought for black causes.
In the cities in America with the most black people - gays are the most accepted.. check out Detroit, Atlanta, DC etc. Gays are not only accepted but are cool to young people and have their own sub communities and cultures.
This doesn't make any sense.
They just want to get married and they can't...not to mention, they get killed over seas. Acting like their plight is any less important is pretty ignorant.
lol so basically, anyone who isn't marching in gay right parades are closet homos. And anyone who is about black empowerment basically is insecure and a c00n?Rustling jimmies out here...
I have no problem with the pro black cats but lets be honest how much of that is insecurity and racism wrapped up in a facsimile of pride?
Be nationalist, breh
And you're not only an expert but can relate to both these things.
breh we live in America. And gays can get married.. they just can't be recognized by the fed gov unless their state recognizes it. The reasons for marriage supposedly are about those rights that I mentioned --- so they should focus on getting those basic rights. That's the main reason blacks can't identify w that shyt.... we've had to fight for basic human rights in America after being here since the beginning. I know gay people - that plight isn't as extreme as you're pretending it to be.
Overseas has issues for other reasons.. .mainly poverty and culture.
Julius Skrrvin
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Why so defensivelol so basically, anyone who isn't marching in gay right parades are closet homos. And anyone who is about black empowerment basically is insecure and a c00n?
Andyou're not only an expert but can relate to both these things.
All I said was that some people have a lot of hate in their heart....
I didn call anyone a c00n. Just being realistic about nationalism. It is a powerful force for change but it is always grounded in feelings of hatred, bitterness, and racism. I understand why people turn to it, but it should come to nobodys surprise that nationalist governments and movements are marked by violence and fear. Im not a fan of racial tribalism, though i understand why africans and african americans turn to it.
Why so defensive
All I said was that some people have a lot of hate in their heart....
I didn call anyone a c00n. Just being realistic about nationalism. It is a powerful force for change but it is always grounded in feelings of hatred, bitterness, and racism. I understand why people turn to it, but it should come to nobodys surprise that nationalist governments and movements are marked by violence and fear. Im not a fan of racial tribalism, though i understand why africans and african americans turn to it.
I'm not defensive.. it's just interesting that those points are the main HL talking points. VERY interesting to me, especially considering who those points usually come from
And you talking nationalism to a people who are in nations that don't fully accept them. And I was going to throw another sarcastic shot at you, but instead I'm going to educate you. The so called hatred and racism is only a small fraction of black people. and even the points made by those individuals aren't completely off base. They just seem racist and all that other shyt, because people are confused on what racism is.
Violence and fear defines no black movement.. racism doesn't define any black movement. Pro-black isn't anti anything else - it's just Pro Black
... and any violent or separatist comment is rooted in defensiveness. Not misguided defensiveness, but justified defenses. All the terms and phrases are missed or fly over the heads of 'others' because 'they' can't truly identify with them. That's why people get confused about simple things like CAC. It's called a racist term when it's not. It's not even referring to the average white dude walking down the street.
Confusion is what makes people say things like "racism wrapped up in a facsimile of pride". smh.
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Wouldn't Martin and Malcolm contradict this...And when you say submission, I'm guessing you mean submitting to white supremacy?
Julius Skrrvin
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I didnt say you weren't justified in choosing a nationalist point of view.I just said that nationalism is always ultimately consumed by supremacy and racism. As for your contention that no black movement is marked by racism, I dont understand given the racial pogroms going on in Africa as we speak....
Well, Malcolm came back to the states without all that NoI shyt and Martin was someone who used a lot of populist rhetoric while vaguing sourcing the bible. I mean the guy was basically a communist (not saying anything is inherently wrong with it) but a lot of his backing was in fact secular. Its a nuanced point but I think Martin realized the value in religious GROUPS over that in religious teachings themselves.
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lol so basically, anyone who isn't marching in gay right parades are closet homos. And anyone who is about black empowerment basically is insecure and a c00n?
And you're not only an expert but can relate to both these things.
I'm saying that the movement has MANY major flaws that prevent the unification you're seeking.
Aside from nothing being wrong with gay people as the rest of the modern world has realized (if you notice, even jews are largely secular in practice and pro-civil and gay rights), we can't get over even the most basic shyt most other groups have come to terms with.
