Let's talk about ELECTRICITY...

[blackzeus]

i think a lot of this depends on the definition we're using for "electricity." going by the dictionary definition we are talking about charged particles in motion, which obviously would it make it involved in everything, and certainly much more prevalent in the human physiological processes than you're implying.

so we need to determine how your working definition of electricity differs from the dictionary definition, and at which stage does electricity cease to be electricity (according to your definition) and thus devolves or evolves into a separate phenomena.

and again, simply by the fact we exist within the magnetic field of the earth means we are literally walking in a field of energy/electric charges. atoms have an electric charge, cells have an electric charge, the brain and heart both generate significant electromagnetic fields, so it seems to me there is nowhere that electricity isnt.

This isn't correct energy /= electricity. That's like saying steam, coal, oil, wind etc. is made up of electricity, highly inaccurate. In fact, you need an energy source to generate the flow, electricity doesn't flow on its own. It has nothing to do with energy

E = mc^2 "=" (analogous to) F=ma. Energy is a type of force of course. Do you remember anything about continuity equations? In short, basic derivative calc formula for electricity is J = sigma*E, J being the flux or in this case changing electricity flow, sigma being conductivity, and E being energy source, which normally for circuit theory is defined as an electrical field. Electricity is a result of a force "forcing" particle flow. Although they are directly proportional, they are not the same. The electricity is generated by energy combine with resistance to form flux. if you dump a 1 ton rock in the middle of the ocean, it doesn't have the same displacement effect as it would at your local pool.

 

[OsO]

This isn't correct energy /= electricity. That's like saying steam, coal, oil, wind etc. is made up of electricity, highly inaccurate. In fact, you need an energy source to generate the flow, electricity doesn't flow on its own. It has nothing to do with energy

E = mc^2 "=" (analogous to) F=ma. Energy is a form of course. Do you remember anything about continuity equations? In short, basic derivative calc formula for electricity is J = sigma*E, J being the flux or in this case changing electricity flow, sigma being conductivity, and E being energy source, which normally for circuit theory is defined as an electrical field. Electricity is a result of a force "forcing" particle flow. Although they are directly proportional, they are not the same. The electricity is generated by energy combine with resistance to form flux. if you dump a 1 ton rock in the middle of the ocean, it doesn't have the same displacement effect as it would at your local pool.

so im asking, at what point do charged particles evolve and/or devolve into electricity?

 

[blackzeus]

so im asking, at what point do charged particles evolve and/or devolve into electricity?

As long as the charged particles on average within a group are moving torwards a specific direction, you have electrical flow. electricity isn't an object, it isn't matter, you can't evolve/devolve into electricity, any more than you can evolve/devolve into wind. In fact, that's a great analogy, you can think of electricity as the wind. No air flow, no wind. Same with electricity my g.

 

[NubianVitruvian]

Kind of off topic but still deals with electricity.

I want to see electricity and water flow in Africa the same way it flows in America 24/7.if the Western countries really wanted to help Africa then instead of sending food aid they would be sending their electrical engineers to build and teach the ppl reliable and dependable ways to produce electricity and clean water.

I was talking about this today. fukk charity. They need to solve problems at the core. But that's another topic for another thread.

 

[OsO]

As long as the charged particles on average within a group are moving torwards a specific direction, you have electrical flow. electricity isn't an object, it isn't matter, you can't evolve/devolve into electricity, any more than you can evolve/devolve into wind. In fact, that's a great analogy, you can think of electricity as the wind. No air flow, no wind. Same with electricity my g.

so wouldnt that mean every physiological process in the body requires some form of electric charge, and thus some form of electricity? oneman is saying the physical processes that involve heat as energy dont involve electricity, which is why im wondering about the definition of electricity being used.

also, if we are talking about electricity at the atomic level with charged atoms, at what point does energy=electricity, since you state above that energy=/electricity?

so here's the dilemma... if we are equating moving electrical charges to electricity then everything around us is electrified to some degree.

if we are not equating charged particles in motion with electricity, then i am asking at what point does something (energy, charged particles, EM waves, etc) transform into the phenomena known as electricity? is there a certain number of particles required to qualify as electricity, is there a certain level of amperage that must be reached, etc?

and realize im not attacking your viewpoint, im just trying to gain clarity on what exactly electricity is and what it isnt...

 

[blackzeus]

so wouldnt that mean every physiological process in the body requires some form of electric charge, and thus some form of electricity? oneman is saying the physical processes that involve heat as energy dont involve electricity, which is why im wondering about the definition of electricity being used.

also, if we are talking about electricity at the atomic level with charged atoms, at what point does energy=electricity, since you state above that energy=/electricity?

so here's the dilemma... if we are equating moving electrical charges to electricity then everything around us is electrified to some degree.

if we are not equating charged particles in motion with electricity, then i am asking at what point does something (energy, charged particles, EM waves, etc) transform into the phenomena known as electricity? is there a certain number of particles required to qualify as electricity, is there a certain level of amperage that must be reached, etc?

and realize im not attacking your viewpoint, im just trying to gain clarity on what exactly electricity is and what it isnt...

1) Mathematically speaking:

Energy /= electricity. Energy is measured in joules.

Let's focus on W*s = Watts*seconds or more simply stated Watts*time. We all know Power is measured in watts. Using circuit theory variables, P = V*I, or V^2/R, so the formula for Energy noted as "E" would be (V*I)*time or (V^2/R)*time. However, I = V/R. V/R /= (V^2/R)*time. In other words, E /= I. While electricity is DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL to energy, they are never the same.

2) Intuitively speaking, yes, you are correct, any conductor (including the human body) however dormant, has the potential to conduct electricity at any time. It does mean there's always electricity flowing. When you touch the doorknob, you don't get shocked, however when you build up enough static charges from dragging your feet across the carpet/wearing clothes with static charges, you will get shocked. Just because something has the potential to conduct electricity, doesn't mean it's electrified. Again, in the literal sense, yes, there may be some flow, but it is negligible relative to our body mass, the same way a kid jumping up and down doesn't change the rotation/trajectory of the earth.

3) Your fallacy. You keep going back to one thing, you keep stating at what point does energy = electricity. You need to make sure that statement is correct before assuming it, and I just proved it's not mathematically. Don't make a statement you're not sure is correct, otherwise your whole argument is flawed. But I understand your thought process, because they are similar, they both flow/transfer except for one key fact, you can store energy, you can't store electricity. You take the stored energy to "push" the electronics in a certain direction, which creates electricity. Your premise is wrong, don't ask why it's right, make sure you understand if it's actually true first. Hopefully my proof was explanatory for you. And of course, if it's not, you're welcome to prove how energy devolves and/or is equal to electricity