Let’s run this back… you taking Wemby or Rookie Bron #1

[ISO]

You're crazy his bag already looks way deeper than bron does atm

My man he’s literally not scoring in iso like that. Most of his offense is assisted and he’s shooting the ball at a comparable level to rookie Bron with higher pace, better spacing, more catch and shoot looks, and a 7’5 release, and he’s a year older.

I know I’m talking to people who think all Bron did and does is bulldoze to the rim. The man’s shot making clinics in his career are up there with anyone he’s not always on but when he’s on he’s on.

 

[Trojan 24]

Wemby, I think he gets more then 3.5 Chips in 20 years

 

[High quality poster]

Yall ain’t nothing but haters doubt y’all even watched 3 Wemby games this year

1 was enough

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Bron Played nearly 40 minutes per game, Wemby per 36 are 26points/13rebounds/4.5assist/4.5blocks/1.5 stl,
Lebron per 36 19.1points/5Rbd/5.5Ast/1blocks/1.5stl

Why would you post the per-36 from two seasons that are 20 years apart with completely different rules, pace, lineups, and play styles? That's either purposely deceptive or just ignorant.

2003-04 was literally the hardest year to score in NBA history. It was after they eliminated illegal defense and made zones legal, but before they further eased hand-checking rules. As a result:

* The pace in 2004 was the SECOND LOWEST in recorded league history
* The field goal % was the LOWEST since 1966
* The points per game were the LOWEST since 1955
* LeBron's teammates only averaged 2.2 made threes a game


Back in 2004, zones fukking killed the squads that couldn't hit the 3-ball yet. Imagine being an 18yo trying to lead a team where zone defenses and hand-checking are both allowed and your teammates only average 2 made threes per game.

2024 teams average 115ppg on a 99 pace making 13 threes/game
2004 teams averaged 93ppg on a 90 pace making 5 threes/game


Trying to put up a simple per-36 line for each player without noting that you're discussing two completely different eras is disingenuous. Notice that if you had moved a single year further to 19yo LeBron, his stat line immediately blew up. 2004 was a statistical aberration to be a rookie in, especially on that squad.

 

[Raquinotj]

Why would you post the per-36 from two seasons that are 20 years apart with completely different rules, pace, lineups, and play styles? That's either purposely deceptive or just ignorant.

2003-04 was literally the hardest year to score in NBA history. It was after they eliminated illegal defense and made zones legal, but before they further eased hand-checking rules. As a result:

* The pace in 2004 was the SECOND LOWEST in recorded league history
* The field goal % was the LOWEST since 1966
* The points per game were the LOWEST since 1955
* LeBron's teammates only averaged 2.2 made threes a game


Back in 2004, zones fukking killed the squads that couldn't hit the 3-ball yet. Imagine being an 18yo trying to lead a team where zone defenses and hand-checking are both allowed and your teammates only average 2 made threes per game.

2024 teams average 115ppg on a 99 pace making 13 threes/game
2004 teams averaged 93ppg on a 90 pace making 5 threes/game


Trying to put up a simple per-36 line for each player without noting that you're discussing two completely different eras is disingenuous. Notice that if you had moved a single year further to 19yo LeBron, his stat line immediately blew up. 2004 was a statistical aberration to be a rookie in, especially on that squad.

So how do you wanna compare them? 39 year old LeBron vs 19 year old Wemby or you wanna hop on a Time Machine?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So how do you wanna compare them? 39 year old LeBron vs 19 year old Wemby or you wanna hop on a Time Machine?

It's obviously not easy to compare two players of different eras and different positions, but you can look at their stats if you take them in context of the pace, rules, and teammates and then also look at their demonstrated skill sets that produced those stats.

Just grabbing per-36 numbers from two different eras in very different situations is internet game-playing.

 

[dizzy4111]

Wemby just doing insane shyt every possession against HOU right now

 

[the elastic]

LeBron because he's not afraid to be ball-dominant

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I can’t take you cats seriously 76% of Wemby’s offense is assisted but he has a deeper bag than rookie Bron who was creating offense for himself and others in dead ball NBA with trash spacing.

All because the nikka does a tween tween dribble every 7 games.

in terms of scoring. yes, he shows more ways in scoring than rookie bron.

you was like 7 years old during bron rookie season

almost 80% of his offense is assisted and over 30% of his offense is dunks and the majority of his threes are off pick and pops.

All this because he sizes someone up here and there.

These "superior bag" claims for Wemby are wild. He doesn't even have a reliable go-to move yet. The vast majority of the game is "try to catch the ball near the hoop" or "otherwise, shoot a low-% catch-and-shoot jumper." He's shown flashes of incredible touch and skill, but anyone claiming he has some deep bag has been watching nothing more than a few highlights.


Bron's development as a scorer was WAY past Wemby's in year 1.....and that's 18/19yo Bron coming straight out of high school, not 19/20yo Wemby who had already played pro ball in Europe for four years.





Literally his first game in the league, and he already has a pull-up jumper, fadeaway jumper, floater, finger roll with both hands, multiple different acrobatic layups including one with a double-clutch and another where he changes hands in midair, and a vicious dunk. Not to mention incredible court vision -- he had 9 assists that game including some especially pretty ones, and 4 steals including several where he made vets look stupid.


How about this game:



You know how hard it is to put up 41 points and 13 assists against a good Nets squad in THAT era? Here's how @ISO broke down that game:

Let's look at some footage from LeBron's first career 40 point game at 19 years old agaisnt the 4th overall defense that season the New Jersey Nets

Stop on dime dribble, pump fake, contested leaner from about 8-10 feet off glass

Post fadeaway from baseline

Post face up drive with lightning first step

Open C&S three pointer from right wing

Crossover then drives baseline steps back for long two

Runs P&R sneaks and muscles in for lay-up

Steals pass and dunks

Put back off own miss

Seals and scores out of post

Drives Rondo ball fakes and lays AND ONE

Ball is tipped into back court recovers it and weaves through two defenders with right to left crossovers and finishes finesse lay up

Hesitation dribbles into contested long two

Lays on fast break

Steals ball finishes with gamewinning lay-up

Takes miss and ices game with fast break dunk

No moves y'all

Crossovers, ball fakes, fadeaways, both finesse and power layups, scoring off the dribble, scoring out of the post, creating offense from his defense and going coast-to-coast twice in a row to win the game.....and that's without even mentioning the 13 assists as he set the table for otherwise incompetent teammates all game long.


And the big part - Bron was creating his OWN offense as well as his teammates' offense all game long, every game. Whereas Wemby only creates his own offense a few times a game.

That doesn't alone make Bron "better", they're different roles. But claiming Wemby has a better bag is just dumb.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I hope Wemby becomes the best player in the game. But this thread is stupid.


The coli dot com:

This is the post of the thread.

 

[Bigblackted4]

Take Bron because you know he was durable but if we are saying Wemby has Kareem health I might take Wemba

 

[jaydawg08]

Pretty funny how posters are in here claiming Wemby has a deep bag, when the entire knock on him early has been his offensive game is gonna take a few years to establish

He doesn't have a go-to move, and doesn't really have any semblance of a back to basket game.

 

[UpNext]

Bron. I'll never be fully sold on Wemby's health until his career is over. Even when we didn't know who LeBron was his build was being compared to Karl Malone who was an iron man.

 

[spacewraith]

I'd take Bron too. Both in that time period and now.

 

[010101]

@ISO what was that a brown paper bag wemby brought out against sengun¿

what's the worse ass whipping bron caught his rookie year¿

anything like catching 45 with the sides while only getting off a 10 piece¿



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