Let’s run this back… you taking Wemby or Rookie Bron #1

Wemby or Lebron

  • Wemby

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    Votes: 127 73.4%
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Bigblackted4 said:
Weakest East ever
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LOL, I thought Bron haters liked to claim that the 2010-2018 East was the weakest ever, now you're claiming that for the 2004 East.....whose Pistons WON the title that year and nearly went back-to-back the next year? Besides the Pistons, you also had the 61-win Pacers, Kidd/Jefferson/Kenyon trying to make their 3rd straight Finals with the Nets, young Wade's Heat, Pierce's Celtics, the Marbury/Houston Knicks, Baron Davis and a decent Hornets squad, and Michael Redd's Bucks.


Teenage Bron and the Cavs in 2004 finished ahead of Allen Iverson's 76ers, Vince Carter's Raptors, Gilbert Arenas's Wizards, Tracy McGrady's Magic, the Crawford/Hinrich/Davis Bulls and the Terry/Jackson/Abdur-Rahim Hawks. He finished 10+ games above half of those teams. And that's despite the Cavs winning just 17 games and being dead last the previous year, then trading away half their starters while acquiring no players of consequence.

By comparison, rookie Wemby's Spurs in 2024 finished 19 games behind Alperen Sengun's Rockets, 9 games behind Lauri Markkanen's Jazz, and 5 games behind Jaren Jackson Jr.'s shell of a Grizzlies squad. The only reason they didn't finish dead last was because they were ONE game ahead of a rebuilding Blazers team where every starter missed 1/3 to 1/2 of the season and the team often fielded a full G-league lineup for games.
 
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Professor Emeritus said:
LOL, I thought Bron haters liked to claim that the 2010-2018 East was the weakest ever, now you're claiming that for the 2004 East.....whose Pistons WON the title that year and nearly went back-to-back the next year? Besides the Pistons, you also had the 61-win Pacers, Kidd/Jefferson/Kenyon trying to make their 3rd straight Finals with the Nets, young Wade's Heat, Pierce's Celtics, the Marbury/Houston Knicks, Baron Davis and a decent Hornets squad, and Michael Redd's Bucks.


Teenage Bron and the Cavs in 2004 finished ahead of Allen Iverson's 76ers, Vince Carter's Raptors, Gilbert Arenas's Wizards, Tracy McGrady's Magic, the Crawford/Hinrich/Davis Bulls and the Terry/Jackson/Abdur-Rahim Hawks. He finished 10+ games above half of those teams. And that's despite the Cavs winning just 17 games and being dead last the previous year, then trading away half their starters while acquiring no players of consequence.

By comparison, rookie Wemby's Spurs in 2024 finished 19 games behind Alperen Sengun's Rockets, 9 games behind Lauri Markkanen's Jazz, and 5 games behind Jaren Jackson Jr.'s shell of a Grizzlies squad. The only reason they didn't finish dead last was because they were ONE game ahead of a rebuilding Blazers team where every starter missed 1/3 to 1/2 of the season and the team often fielded a full G-league lineup for games.
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I’m no Bron hater, that slog ball that was being played in the East was tailor made for a star like Bron plus we talking about a league in which only 4 teams finished above 500. This year 10 teams finished above 500 in his conference 10. That same Rocket squad has a champion point guard and a bidding all star in Jalen Green who turned his career around this year. Lauri Jazz won 37 games the year before. Also Pop tanked the beginning of the season playing a lineup that clearly wasn’t optimal they we’re playing for a top pick not trying to win.
 
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Bigblackted4 said:
I’m no Bron hater, that slog ball that was being played in the East was tailor made for a star like Bron
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Yet established stars like Allen Iverson, Vince Carter, Gilbert Arenas, and Tracy McGrady finished behind Bron in the standings.




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plus we talking about a league in which only 4 teams finished above 500.
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So Bron's 35 wins meant he was only 6 games out of 5th place and 1 game out of 8th? As opposed to Wemby, whose 22 wins put him 5 games back of 13th place and just 1 game ahead of 15th?




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This year 10 teams finished above 500 in his conference 10. That same Rocket squad has a champion point guard and a bidding all star in Jalen Green who turned his career around this year. Lauri Jazz won 37 games the year before. Also Pop tanked the beginning of the season playing a lineup that clearly wasn’t optimal they we’re playing for a top pick not trying to win.
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lol, you're propping up Fred VanVleet who averaged 8ppg on 39% shooting coming off the bench in the Raptor's title run. Houston without any all-stars and no one close to Wemby's stature finished the season with damn near TWICE as many wins as San Antonio did. Whereas Bron in his rookie year finished ahead of squads led by Iverson, McGrady, Vince Carter and Gilbert Arenas, and was just 1 game back of the 8th seed led by Paul Pierce....no need to make excuses for him winning half as many games as Fred VanVleet.

Trying to equate the Spurs' performance in 2024 with the Cavs' performance in 2004 just doesn't work. The Cavs were objectively a MUCH more competitive team. You can say wins don't matter or whatever, or that Bron had the (somewhat) better team, but trying to shortcut the discussion and claim both teams were losers just because neither made the playoffs isn't an honest assessment.

Bron came onto a team that only had won 17 games, didn't gain any new teammates with talent at all, and LED that squad to 35 wins and a hair away from a playoff berth. He single-handedly elevated a team that couldn't do anything before he showed up and gave them their winningest season in 6 years. Wemby is a great player and talent, but he didn't lead that squad to anything other than a tank.
 
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Yet established stars like Allen Iverson, Vince Carter, Gilbert Arenas, and Tracy McGrady finished behind Bron in the standings.






So Bron's 35 wins meant he was only 6 games out of 5th place and 1 game out of 8th? As opposed to Wemby, whose 22 wins put him 5 games back of 13th place and just 1 game ahead of 15th?






lol, you're propping up Fred VanVleet who averaged 8ppg on 39% shooting coming off the bench in the Raptor's title run. Houston without any all-stars and no one close to Wemby's stature finished the season with damn near TWICE as many wins as San Antonio did. Whereas Bron in his rookie year finished ahead of squads led by Iverson, McGrady, Vince Carter and Gilbert Arenas, and was just 1 game back of the 8th seed led by Paul Pierce....no need to make excuses for him winning half as many games as Fred VanVleet.

Trying to equate the Spurs' performance in 2024 with the Cavs' performance in 2004 just doesn't work. The Cavs were objectively a MUCH more competitive team. You can say wins don't matter or whatever, or that Bron had the (somewhat) better team, but trying to shortcut the discussion and claim both teams were losers just because neither made the playoffs isn't an honest assessment.

Bron came onto a team that only had won 17 games, didn't gain any new teammates with talent at all, and LED that squad to 35 wins and a hair away from a playoff berth. He single-handedly elevated a team that couldn't do anything before he showed up and gave them their winningest season in 6 years. Wemby is a great player and talent, but he didn't lead that squad to anything other than a tank.
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You naming players doesn’t change the fact the teams were trash and some of those players you named were injuried
 
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