Lets revisit Eminem saying that "he dont like that N!GGER sh!t" (how was this line forgiven)

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All of that has nothing to do with what we were talking about. He was arguing Em probably didn't give a fukk about the culture, and was in it for the money. He said Em jumped into rap because a white man making money in rap was easier than rock or pop or whatever.

Which is retarded because that's like someone saying "I'm going to be the next Jay-Z". Yes, there's only 1 Jay or Em, so jumping into rap expecting to become a millionaire is retarded, because so few actually do. And then on top of that, even less white people do. That was my point.

Fred.

I can read just fine, Hex :rudy:

That guy said white musicians make more money doing "black" music......and I agree.

No. Being a semi-talented white person in "black" music makes major money. See: Adele, Elvis, Justin Timberlake, Eminem and the list goes on. They're making way more money than the average country singer or rock star.

And you responded oppositely, saying Eminem's talent made him blow up, not his race. Your argument completely ignores the fact that there's 40 million blacks in the country and 220 million whites. White superstars get that extra bump, having the right complexion, having more consumers to buy their merchandise. Which gives credence to his argument that "white musicians make more money doing "black" music than black musicians do" because they have a wider pool they can target. I'd wager that somebody like Janelle Monae would get alot more attention if she was white. Of course you'll never admit to it though.
 

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I can read just fine, Hex :rudy:

That guy said white musicians make more money doing "black" music......and I agree.

Again, that has nothing to do with what we're discussing. And no, that wasn't his point.

Dude said Em got into it solely for the money, with no love/interest in the culture. Who the fukk in their right mind would say "I'm going to become a white rapper, and make a ton of money"? Yeah, that's happened so many times before, right? fukk no....so what does "white people make more money off black music" have to do with this particular topic? You're acting like there's 20 white rappers prior to Eminem that would encourage him to become rich off rap music. There was one group, the Beastie Boys, that's it.

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No. Being a semi-talented white person in "black" music makes major money. See: Adele, Elvis, Justin Timberlake, Eminem and the list goes on. They're making way more money than the average country singer or rock star.

lmao yall are fukkin ridiculous. i dont even like eminem but to say he's semi talented is a damn lie. the connection between all those white people is their good fukking artists. they would be extremely successful in any genre of music, but they chose urban music because we do it the best :jawalrus:
 

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eminem was that cac in middle who made ****** jokes and drew swastikas and him and his cac would friends would be like LOL JEWS
 

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Again, that has nothing to do with what we're discussing. And no, that wasn't his point.

Dude said Em got into it solely for the money, with no love/interest in the culture. Who the fukk in their right mind would say "I'm doing to become a white rapper, and make a ton of money"? Yeah, that's happened so many times before, right? fukk no....so what does "white people make more money off black music" have to do with this particular topic? You're acting like there's 20 white rappers prior to Eminem that would encourage him to become rich off rap music. There was one group, the Beastie Boys, that's it.

Fred.

Whatever, Hex

I don't care what you were talking about four pages ago, Im talking about the part that I quoted. Telling me I interpreted something wrong when I quoted his exact words. I know what I read bruh :rudy:
 

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lmao yall are fukkin ridiculous. i dont even like eminem but to say he's semi talented is a damn lie. the connection between all those white people is their good fukking artists. they would be extremely successful in any genre of music, but they chose urban music because we do it the best :jawalrus:

Elvis is an overrated hack. Timberlake doesn't even write his own stuff and if it weren't for Timbaland he would be lucky to be half as successful.
 

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Unlike Em

Hov always spoke on those mistakes in a regretful way

I really just wanted an excuse to use that smiley :laugh:

Now I like to fukk with blackslash and all but i'll give some real input on the thread, even though it's such an old topic and i'll basically be repeating some shyt I've said before, i'll go ahead and chime in in regards to the OP.

I think in general once this became a "thing", regardless of how quick his PR team tried to sweep it under the rug it really boiled down to do you think Eminem is or still is a racist? However you called it was justified, but once you made up your mind people answered that accordingly and kinda moved on. It didn't help that Benzino was the one breaking the story, whether you believed they were righteous or selfish, the messenger and the motives definitely played a part in how it was received.

For me personally it was about being able to empathize with doing/saying dumb shyt that I'm thankful that nobody was around to record. Due to some of my own experiences with racism I was in and out of the school system for doing things that really went against my true nature.
if this dude was a racist would he have a crew like d12 :manny:

its obvious they were boys way before it was about business. i dont give a fukk one way or the other really

Now this is the main reason why this should have been talked about more at the time in a much larger context than Eminem the artist.

I'm sure he loved proof, he obviously loves denanun and other cats too. That doesn't mean that he hasn't been able to avoid the subconscious conditioning that we have all grown up with and around.

Even the words "black" and "white" are extremely polarizing but ingrained into our psyche, there is nothing BLACK about my skin, there is nothing WHITE about eminem's skin but the language suggest inherent positive/negative qualities, and I don't think this is an accident.



The father is an a$$hole...but in his a$$holery he accidentally pointed out how easy it is for our children to have these subconscious negative associations with the word BLACK, and the concept of darkness in and of itself.

The child clearly was afraid of being black like "midnight" but had no problem with being "chocolate" colored, if we framed race relations in "browns tans and peach" (silly right?) there is less of a tendency to mentally associate these colors with inherent negativity or positive qualities. All children are afraid of the dark, of the unknown. I think that some of the misguided people trying to be on some "post racial" society see this problem but see it/go about it in an immature, un-grounded way.

Even the darkest African is still a rich dark brown, there are no BLACK people, but this child will probably grow up without an overtly racist upbringing, she may even have a diverse group of friends and have a surface level respect for human beings in general, but in the background of her mind these associations still exist.

Eminem is not exempt from this, and i'm sure with his experiences with being beat to the point of having to re-learn basic functions by a black kid conflict with his some of his best friends and influences being black themselves. As a "black" man I have the same kind of conflict within me.

To me, the lost opportunity to delve into THAT aspect of HIP HOP and it's ability to bridge racial gaps in ways that even the civil rights movement couldn't is the biggest disappointment.
 
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:laugh: at the whites smart enough not to defend eminem directly but jumping at the chance to defend him anywhere else they could, a la hexagram.
 

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I really just wanted an excuse to use that smiley :laugh:

Now I like to fukk with blackslash and all but i'll give some real input on the thread, even though it's such an old topic and i'll basically be repeating some shyt I've said before, i'll go ahead and chime in in regards to the OP.

I think in general once this became a "thing", regardless of how quick his PR team tried to sweep it under the rug it really boiled down to do you think Eminem is or still is a racist? However you called it was justified, but once you made up your mind people answered that accordingly and kinda moved on. It didn't help that Benzino was the one breaking the story, whether you believed they were righteous or selfish, the messenger and the motives definitely played a part in how it was received.

For me personally it was about being able to empathize with doing/saying dumb shyt that I'm thankful that nobody was around to record. Due to some of my own experiences with racism I was in and out of the school system for doing things that really went against my true nature.


Now this is the main reason why this should have been talked about more at the time in a much larger context than Eminem the artist.

I'm sure he loved proof, he obviously loves denanun and other cats too. That doesn't mean that he hasn't been able to avoid the subconscious conditioning that we have all grown up with and around.

Even the words "black" and "white" are extremely polarizing but ingrained into our psyche, there is nothing BLACK about my skin, there is nothing WHITE about eminem's skin but the language suggest inherent positive/negative qualities, and I don't think this is an accident.



The father is an @sshole...but in his @ssholery he accidentally pointed out how easy it is for our children to have these subconscious negative associations with the word BLACK, and the concept of darkness in and of itself.

The child clearly was afraid of being black like "midnight" but had no problem with being "chocolate" colored, if we framed race relations in "browns tans and peach" (silly right?) there is less of a tendency to mentally associate these colors with inherent negativity or positive qualities. All children are afraid of the dark, of the unknown. I think that some of the misguided people trying to be on some "post racial" society see this problem but see it/go about it in an immature, un-grounded way.

Even the darkest African is still a rich dark brown, there are no BLACK people, but this child will probably grow up without an overtly racist upbringing, she may even have a diverse group of friends and have a surface level respect for human beings in general, but in the background of her mind these associations still exist.

Eminem is not exempt from this, and i'm sure with his experiences with being beat to the point of having to re-learn basic functions by a black kid conflict with his some of his best friends and influences being black themselves. As a "black" man I have the same kind of conflict within me.

To me, the lost opportunity to delve into THAT aspect of HIP HOP and it's ability to bridge racial gaps in ways that even the civil rights movement couldn't is the biggest disappointment to me.

:wow:
 
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People have said a lot in this thread about Eminem's friends, does he have other white boy friends? I've never seen him hangin out with other whites. Honestly, I don't know what his deal is. He's a strange guy.
 
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