Lets imagine that Hall and Nash never left WWF

[richaveli83]

So many things wouldn't have happened.

No nWo. The core basis of the NWO were these WWF guys coming over to take over. Nash was a former champion and Hall was former IC champion.

Austin wouldn't have risen. Triple H was scheduled to win the KOTR in 1996 but due to the MSG fiasco it was nixed. If Hall and Nash never left then no MSG incident and Triple H wins the KOTR. With the entire kliq being in the company they would have definitely held Austin down but then again would Austin even get a chance to do the Stone Cold gimmick?

WCW wouldn't have dominated for two years. People forget or didn't realize that Nitro and Raw traded wins and loses from the time of Nitro's debut until Hall showing up. If Hall and Nash never jumped ship they would continue trading wins and loses.

No attitude era. McMahon was forced to try something different because of WCW whooping his ass. Yeah he did borrow/steal from ECW but without the NWO in WCW there would be no reason for the WWF to change direction.

WCW would still be around or lasted into the 2000s. The company only made money during the time they were on top ratings wise. They didn't start losing a massive amount of money until late 1999/2000. The AOL/Time Warner merger would have still happened but since the company wouldn't have been losing so much money it would have been kind of hard to justify getting rid of the promotion. The executives would have still gotten rid of the promotion but it probably wouldn't have been until probably 2003-2004. Another thing people don't realize is that the WWF sued WCW because they claimed Hall was basically using the Razor Ramon gimmick in WCW. One of the things in the settlement was that the WWF had first dibs if WCW would have went for sale.

Owen Hart would still be alive. Bret Hart wouldn't have left for WCW because there was no Montreal Screwjob. Bret signed a 20 year contract in 1996. Vince wanted to renege on the contract in 1997 because he was losing so much money. If Hall and Nash remained in the WWE, WCW wouldn't have been popping so Vince would have honored the contract. With Bret still in the company Owen wouldn't have had to do the Blue Blazer gimmick again and therefore wouldn't have died.

Shawn Michaels would probably be dead. Michael's was heavily into drugs and if not for injuring his back and retiring he would have continued the drugs and probably overdosed. With the entire kliq in the same company it would have continued to enable his drug use.

 

[krackdagawd]

No Scott Hall to put the bug in his ear no Crow Sting

It was definetly time to evolve from the surfer in 1996 but who knows what direction they’d have gone with him.

They might have sent him to the WWE and actually went thru with the Stang gimmick in WCW and I’d be in here cursing people out 20 years after the fact

Low key Scott Hall should be in creative or in the back doing something man. His mind for the wrasslin business is

 

[No Ma’am]

Nash never catastrophically injures his knees from carrying Hogan and Hall never succumbs to alcoholism stressing out about not snuffing aforementioned Hoegan.

 

[puppetmaster]

Low key Scott Hall should be in creative or in the back doing something man. His mind for the wrasslin business is

Major fact

 

[DANJ!]

WCW woulda still been around until Ted Turner lost control of his shyt... now what shape would it have been in, who knows. But I feel like with or without Hall & Nash, a Hogan heel turn woulda definitely been a big deal one way or another. I was barely checkin' for wrestling at all anymore by mid-'96, but just hearing about the Hogan heel turn made me tune in for a second. That would've had them top for quite a while until it was time to do something else. If Bischoff still intended to do an NWO, it'd depend on who the other members were. Could see it being Hulk, Savage, and then somebody who had no business as a main guy like Brutus nshyt...

In WWF, it seemed they were heading in a more edgy direction at the time with Goldust and some of the language that was being used... that part probably was gonna take place anyway, and with Vince being open to hear all the Kliq's thoughts by then, we def. woulda been seeing more of their ideas on TV. Austin probably doesnt get the push he received (also possibly never cuts the 3:16 promo because HHH was the one in line to win KOTR that year before the Curtain Call, and Vince didn't even know Austin had great mic skills). We probably get a cool Hart Foundation/Kliq feud out of it, but Bret probably ends up leaving regardless.

But business wise overall? It's probably no boom period for wrestling in either company. WCW was topping WWF at this time but it was kinda like... if two video stores were competing in 2019. They were both afloat but neither company was doin' boom numbers money-wise or ratings-wise.

 

[puppetmaster]

Breh WCWs big sting angle would probably been Sting rocking a bussiness suit and rejoining the horsemen only to get turned on in a couple months

You’re probably right. Horsemen backstabbing Sting woulda been what those repeated nWo reformations were

 

[Slystallion]

Too many variables to ever really know what the deck would have turned out like

How many could have beens have their been in this business

This isn't a merit based sport where people succeed based on winning and losing its basically who the bosses want to push

I will say this prior to 2003 it felt like management let wrestlers naturally prosper and genuinely let fans decide who got over based on crowd reaction

After 03 and the reign of HHH and wrestling becoming a monopoly once Vince decided who to make stars there wasn't much that could get in the way of his desire... No offense to Cena but he was due a change of character and refresh as soon as he began to come out to boos ...Roman Reigns another chosen one they decided not to adapt towards natural strengths

In the 90s they immediately adapted to someone like Rocky Maiva being shyt on by fans or million dollar champ Austin being corny ...they let them evolve

So ultimately because of the competition and the era we were moving to edgier regardless and I think we would enjoy the era even if Hall and Nash never jumped... I just can't say if WCW would have had that advantage without Hall and Nash...i mean imagine Bret and Luger being in their spot...it may still be good but it would be a different energy

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Would vince have ever dropped the "Diesel" gimmick?

 

[23Barrettcity]

That's change's history. How would that affect the ovw bog four(Cena,rko,batista,brock). Would become the big movie star he is today?., does SCSA ever become the biggest thing since hogan?. What if rock and Austin went to WCW

Austin was in WCW

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

the nWo would've been Duggan and the Nasty Boys

 

[Dreamzeedream]

Too many variables to ever really know what the deck would have turned out like

How many could have beens have their been in this business

This isn't a merit based sport where people succeed based on winning and losing its basically who the bosses want to push

I will say this prior to 2003 it felt like management let wrestlers naturally prosper and genuinely let fans decide who got over based on crowd reaction

After 03 and the reign of HHH and wrestling becoming a monopoly once Vince decided who to make stars there wasn't much that could get in the way of his desire... No offense to Cena but he was due a change of character and refresh as soon as he began to come out to boos ...Roman Reigns another chosen one they decided not to adapt towards natural strengths

In the 90s they immediately adapted to someone like Rocky Maiva being shyt on by fans or million dollar champ Austin being corny ...they let them evolve

So ultimately because of the competition and the era we were moving to edgier regardless and I think we would enjoy the era even if Hall and Nash never jumped... I just can't say if WCW would have had that advantage without Hall and Nash...i mean imagine Bret and Luger being in their spot...it may still be good but it would be a different energy

That's the thing tho. Picking who to make stars isnt really working anymore. The fan's loved bruan,they pushed for punk&bryan,they love AJ and I feel like the wwe got one right with all three members of the sheild even tho they boo roman

 

[Wacky D]

So many things wouldn't have happened.

No nWo. The core basis of the NWO were these WWF guys coming over to take over. Nash was a former champion and Hall was former IC champion.

WCW wouldn't have dominated for two years. People forget or didn't realize that Nitro and Raw traded wins and loses from the time of Nitro's debut until Hall showing up. If Hall and Nash never jumped ship they would continue trading wins and loses.

Owen Hart would still be alive. Bret Hart wouldn't have left for WCW because there was no Montreal Screwjob. Bret signed a 20 year contract in 1996. Vince wanted to renege on the contract in 1997 because he was losing so much money. If Hall and Nash remained in the WWE, WCW wouldn't have been popping so Vince would have honored the contract. With Bret still in the company Owen wouldn't have had to do the Blue Blazer gimmick again and therefore wouldn't have died.

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the only reason the WWF had enough life left to trade wins, was because they were living off of brand loyalty/nostalgia. once Hogan hit the heel turn, it was gonna be a wrap regardless of who his two partners were.

that's not to take anything away from the outsiders. they put it over the top. but the huge splash was the invasion angle & the Hogan heel turn.

vince was gonna renege on that contract regardless, bro. and I never understood why owen stayed in the WWF in the first place.

Hogan heeling without a cool factor bump from recent WWF guys jumping shift means nothing for WCW in the long run. Yes they were up on the WWF but I honestly think if Hall & Nash stick around, the Kliq influence grows even larger on Vince and some form of the Attitude era is brought out. The only difference is I think the Kliq stops Austin and Rock's shine for sure. Maybe they jump to WCW but they'd be in for similar trouble with Hogan in WCW.

youre over-estimating the value of the WWF at the time, and under-estimating WCW's worth. turner already had all the biggest marque acts. guys that were bigger than diesel & razor. the only one-up move that the WWF made during this time was them being able to bring the warrior back - which WCW failed at doing. but warrior only stayed a few months. and he bounced right before Hogan joined the NWO. that was a hurt-piece combo.

there was no cool factor to being in the WWF during that time period. ECW was the cool promotion.
hall & nash themselves were cool. not the fact that they were WWF guys. LOL.

the storyline was the biggest deal. the initial impression that a WWF/WCW war was about to pop off. the WWF benefited from this as well, because during that 1st month or so, you had people tuning into raw, just to see if any WCW guys would show up.

Hogan didn't need a cool factor to heel. HES HULK HOGAN. and they had an unlimited number of guys he could feud with.

the kliq never drew a dime. if they all stayed in the WWF, they would've ran them out of business.
Austin had just got booted from WCW. he wasn't going back with bischoff in charge.
the rock was a WWF pipeline guy. he would be alright in the end, once he found his character.

 

[Mr. Manhattan]

Scott Hall had a 6th sense in developing a character or gimmick

came up with Razor Ramon
came up with DDP
came up with NWO or at least made it cool
and Crow Sting

WWF woulda been ok if he gave some ideas around

 

[Conscious Pilot]

Hall and Nash would have still been main event players, but Austin and Rock surely still woulda rosed to stardom.


As for WCW, maybe HBK would have took the money and went there. Even though they hated each other Bret too. A total unrealistic scenario, but a Bret, HBK and Hoegan NWO would have been interesting as fukk.

Regardless, WCW may not have that had that meteoric rise but they may have still been in business longer than they were.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Would’ve been terrible