Lets Discuss What went wrong with Bernie Sanders' campaign ?

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Bernie's biggest weakness and one that's been his continual undoing is that he's a politician who thinks he's too good for politics. The "political machine"--that is, the web of personal and political relationships that underlay American politics--is a fact. The DNC--the structure of the Democratic Party--is a fact. Bernie finds these things distasteful and rages against them; his distaste, however, doesn't mean they cease to exist as realities to be dealt with rather than ignored.. His decision to pretend otherwise, in effect to disregard reality, speaks poorly of him, as a politician and a candidate. It was straight hubris, and hubris is never an attractive quality.
None of that waste of keystrokes has anything to do with what I said. You’re not going to get a pundit job trying to copy CNN’s lackluster talking heads on a forum.
 

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None of that waste of keystrokes has anything to do with what I said. You’re not going to get a pundit job trying to copy CNN’s lackluster talking heads on a forum.

You gave "the political machine" and the "DNC" as excuses. By definition, excuses are unforeseen impediments to one's ultimate goals. As the influence of the "political machine" and the DNC were entirely foreseen and predictable, Bernie's inability to adequately prepare for them--or prepare for them in any way over the past four years--is a personal rather than an institutional failure. He could have ingratiated himself more; he could have built relationships, but he chose not to do so. That's all on him.

Let's say you climb a mountain and, through lack of skill and preparation, are unable to reach the summit. It's not a failure of the mountain, and your failure doesn't reflect poorly on the mountain. You just didn't put in the work.
 

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You gave "the political machine" and the "DNC" as excuses. By definition, excuses are unforeseen impediments to one's ultimate goals. As the influence of the "political machine" and the DNC were entirely foreseen and predictable, Bernie's inability to adequately prepare for them--or prepare for them in any way over the past four years--is a personal rather than an institutional failure. He could have ingratiated himself more; he could have built relationships, but he chose not to do so. That's all on him.

Let's say you climb a mountain and, through lack of skill and preparation, are unable to reach the summit. It's not a failure of the mountain, and your failure doesn't reflect poorly on the mountain. You just didn't put in the work.
They're not "excuses", they're literal bodies performing literal actions.

Please don't give me that self-help book nonsense definition of "excuses."

The institution he is working to represent is actively undermining him, that is institutional failure.
 

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They're not "excuses", they're literal bodies performing literal actions.

Known bodies performing foreseen actions, that he pretended didn't exist and failed to foresee.

The institution he is working to represent is actively undermining him, that is institutional failure.

If an institution undermines someone who defines himself in opposition to the institution, then I don't see how it could be termed an "institutional failure". He essentially made it clear that he views the DNC as a tool to advance his own ideological agenda rather than a shared Democratic Party agenda. If the DNC thought otherwise and acted accordingly, then it's more a sign of strength than weakness.

Essentially, Bernie made the same mistakes he did four years ago. His followers claimed he was betrayed, but you can only use a dolchstoßlegende once.
 
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nah. Before you can analyze Bernie's campaign faults, you need to focus on the intoxicating, compulsive high folks get from being able to complain

...instead of getting high off of proactive/productive actions based on principals that doesn't guarantee instant gratification/reward(money,poosay,promotion,praise), folks get a calming buzz from just pointing out what's wrong and even offering solutions/actions, regardless if they intend to practice what they preach

Imagine calling Trump corrupt, then abandoning all the rhetoric/stats about corporate/government corruption that you dap fished with outside of election years, to vote for Biden and Hillary because a catchy slogan like "Trump must go" and "It's her turn," was deemed more important
 

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This is a really good article. Things most of us have said here.

Putting Nina in charge of the SC outreach was a mistake. Like we've said, Sanders needed seasoned political operatives who know what the hell they are doing. Bernie with all of his resources was not a good manager.
 

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This is a really good article. Things most of us have said here.

Putting Nina in charge of the SC outreach was a mistake. Like we've said, Sanders needed seasoned political operatives who know what the hell they are doing. Bernie with all of his resources was not a good manager.

He ran a bad campaign. We all have to accept that.
 

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Please.

Bernie's biggest weakness and one that's been his continual undoing is that he's a politician who thinks he's too good for politics. The "political machine"--that is, the web of personal and political relationships that underlay American politics--is a fact. The DNC--the structure of the Democratic Party--is a fact. Bernie finds these things distasteful and rages against them; his distaste, however, doesn't mean they cease to exist as realities to be dealt with rather than ignored.. His decision to pretend otherwise, in effect to disregard reality, speaks poorly of him, as a politician and a candidate. It was straight hubris, and hubris is never an attractive quality.
Hoisted on his own petard....
 
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