Lets Discuss America's :flabbynsick: Internet Speeds

OneManGang

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WTF brehs. Is it because our country is too big to cover efficiently? Is it because corporations dont see enough money in doing it? Should Uncle Sam step in and sanction better infrastructure for the good of the nation down the road? For a supposedly first world country the disparity in internet availabilty is concerning.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/24/us-internet-speed_n_3645927.html

Compared with other tech-savvy nations, Internet service in the U.S. is overpriced and slow. According to a "State of the Internet" report recently put out by content delivery network Akamai, U.S. service is becoming even slower -- relative to that of other countries, at least.

The U.S. now has the ninth-fastest average Internet connection speed in the world, behind South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Latvia, the Czech Republic and Sweden. That's a slip in the rankings: In the last Akamai report, the U.S. was eighth, with faster average connection speeds than Sweden.

Given that Akamai surveys 243 countries to produce its "State of the Internet" report, ninth place might not seem too low. U.S. Internet providers, after all, contend with a bigger landmass -- and a larger population -- than those in South Korea or Japan. And in real terms, the U.S. average connection speed improved in the interval between reports, becoming 27 percent faster than last year. It just wasn't enough to beat ever-speedier Sweden.

The drop from eighth place might not be worth a worry if it weren't indicative of bigger problems in the U.S. broadband market. Marguerite Reardon of CNET recently wrote that U.S. cable providers aren't exactly encouraging consumers to adopt high-speed broadband -- "and when they do, they charge significantly higher prices that escalate as you move to faster tiers."

In other words, why pay $115 a month for 100Mbps (megabits per second) when you can get 20Mbps for half that or less?

Pricing tiers in the U.S. seem to support Reardon's argument. Comcast, the nation's largest cable provider, claims it's capable of providing 3Gbps broadband -- but its fastest service currently on the market is $320 a month for 305Mbps. Verizon, meanwhile, has just announced its fastest FiOS ever, 500Mbps for $310 a month.

Compare that to Hong Kong, where consumers can get 500Mbps for $25 a month, or Seoul, where the same speed is priced at $30 a month. Only Google Fiber's broadband plan seems competitive with those of other tech-savvy nations: It offers 1Gbps for $70 a month, which is only outpaced by Japan's proposed Nuro network with speeds of up to 2Gbps for $51 a month.

The Huffington Post reported last month that several cable company CEOs had begun releasing editorials extolling U.S. broadband prices and speeds, likely in response to spates of recent criticism about both. And again, ninth out of 243 countries isn't bad. But if America's large cable companies keep pricing their services so as to discourage high-speed broadband adoption, the Internet in the U.S. will only keep slowing down relative to the rest of the world.

How slow can we go? And do we really want to find out?
 
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the slow change is largely due to the monopoly southwestern bell corp (at&t) had. at&t owns most of the lines and is holding back a lot of companies/technology.

monopolies just don't get broken up and go away. just like breaking up standard oil into exxon mobil, chevron etc hasn't done a thing to today.

at&t has a lot of influence in politics which looks out for it's interests first. so fiber optics nationwide is thrown in the bushes. until they find a way to monopolize fiber optics.
 

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The "Internet" is made up of the network of cables. The American network was slow in the beginning with data being transmitted through phone lines at 14K to 56K. Then, things moved faster with DSL and cable and even faster with fiber optic lines. These lines can get bogged down as you have more users using the network The part of this article that is "left out" is that these countries with faster Internet speeds than the US have smaller networks in their perspective countries and less users and less data to transmit. That means you can install a fiber optic network faster and cheaper for your entire country than the US. And their network has less traffic. Compare the geographic square mileage of Sweden, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea to the United States. It's not even close.

The US has "pockets" of faster Internet speeds and those are areas with fiber optic networks. But when you "average" in all the areas without fiber optic service, it brings down the "total national average" Internet speed. If you were to compare just the state of Washington rather than the US, then that state may rank higher than 9th in the world. Does that make sense?
As for cost, again, when you have less fiber optic lines to lay down, your cost of buying fiber optic lines, installing fiber optic lines, and maintaining those lines is much lower. If you compare the costs of all fiber optic lines in South Korea, it's much less than all the fiber optic lines in the US. Just the continental US is over 3000 miles from the East Coast to the West Coast. South Korea isn't even close. They're comparing apples to oranges and writing a simplified report for the ignorant masses.
 

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the slow change is largely due to the monopoly southwestern bell corp (at&t) had. at&t owns most of the lines and is holding back a lot of companies/technology.

monopolies just don't get broken up and go away. just like breaking up standard oil into exxon mobil, chevron etc hasn't done a thing to today.

at&t has a lot of influence in politics which looks out for it's interests first. so fiber optics nationwide is thrown in the bushes. until they find a way to monopolize fiber optics.
Verizon has their own network of fiber optics, I believe.
There are two ways to fix it. Let AT&T monopolize fiber optic networks.
The other is to hand over the all fiber optic networks to the US government and treat it akin to a federal highway. It becomes maintained and operated as federal property. So the pluses might be decreased costs. The minuses might be decreased quality of service.
 

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The "Internet" is made up of the network of cables. The American network was slow in the beginning with data being transmitted through phone lines at 14K to 56K. Then, things moved faster with DSL and cable and even faster with fiber optic lines. These lines can get bogged down as you have more users using the network The part of this article that is "left out" is that these countries with faster Internet speeds than the US have smaller networks in their perspective countries and less users and less data to transmit. That means you can install a fiber optic network faster and cheaper for your entire country than the US. And their network has less traffic. Compare the geographic square mileage of Sweden, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea to the United States. It's not even close.

The US has "pockets" of faster Internet speeds and those are areas with fiber optic networks. But when you "average" in all the areas without fiber optic service, it brings down the "total national average" Internet speed. If you were to compare just the state of Washington rather than the US, then that state may rank higher than 9th in the world. Does that make sense?
As for cost, again, when you have less fiber optic lines to lay down, your cost of buying fiber optic lines, installing fiber optic lines, and maintaining those lines is much lower. If you compare the costs of all fiber optic lines in South Korea, it's much less than all the fiber optic lines in the US. Just the continental US is over 3000 miles from the East Coast to the West Coast. South Korea isn't even close. They're comparing apples to oranges and writing a simplified report for the ignorant masses.
Good points. I alluded to that in the first post. Still it begs the question, are the prices and coverage in even major metropolitan areas the best we can do? Does the government have a responsibility to update their infrastructure as population increases? A modern internet infrastructure is as important as roads, and utility lines. Or should companies be left to dictate who and where they lay lines?

EDIT: I just saw your other post where you touched on this. Isnt there a precedent where the government has done something similar then let companies take over? Maybe that might help and could be looked into.
 

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Good points. I alluded to that in the first post. Still it begs the question, are the prices and coverage in even major metropolitan areas the best we can do? Does the government have a responsibility to update their infrastructure as population increases? A modern internet infrastructure is as important as roads, and utility lines. Or should companies be left to dictate who and where they lay lines?
Well, the "network" in America doesn't have to provide the same level of service everywhere in my opinion.

For example (numbers are hypothetical), if AT&T or Verizon wants to maximize their returns on investing in a fiber optic installation, would they spend $50,000 to provide fiber optic service to one customer who is a farmer whose house is miles away from the nearest town/city or would they spend $50,000 to provide fiber optic service to 1,000 customers in a high-rise condominium in an urban area? It's like Amtrak. Are you going to spend thousands of dollars to provide rail service to 5 people or 1,000 people? In the case of Amtrak, they do both and it has been running their profit margins into the ground.
 

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Well, the "network" in America doesn't have to provide the same level of service everywhere in my opinion.

For example (numbers are hypothetical), if AT&T or Verizon wants to maximize their returns on investing in a fiber optic installation, would they spend $50,000 to provide fiber optic service to one customer who is a farmer whose house is miles away from the nearest town/city or would they spend $50,000 to provide fiber optic service to 1,000 customers in a high-rise condominium in an urban area? It's like Amtrak. Are you going to spend thousands of dollars to provide rail service to 5 people or 1,000 people? In the case of Amtrak, they do both and it has been running their profit margins into the ground.
Its hard to disagree with that. But ill throw this in there. In the case of Amtrak, you probably worrying about fuel, on top of maintenance (which would occur much more often in a mechanical system), and probably a few more things that you wouldnt with fiber optic installation. Its almost a on time thing. Lay the cable, and perform maintenance every once in a while.
 

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Its hard to disagree with that. But ill throw this in there. In the case of Amtrak, you probably worrying about fuel, on top of maintenance (which would occur much more often in a mechanical system), and probably a few more things that you wouldnt with fiber optic installation. Its almost a on time thing. Lay the cable, and perform maintenance every once in a while.
Actually, forget about maintenance cost. Costs of installation is exponentially higher with a rural customer. If you look at previous example, if you have to spend $50,000 to get lines to 1,000 customers, the provider is paying $50 per customer to get a fiber optic line to them as opposed to $50,000 for one customer. Business-wise, that doesn't make any sense.
I've seen fiber optic lines get installed. They dig up trenches to lay down fiber optic lines. Sometimes, they cut up roads to cut across. It's not an easy or cheap process.
 

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Greed is your answer. Same with data caps.

Nothing more and nothing less.

To be fair, part of the issue is also that the country is so large and spread out, you got a lot of people that live 30 miles past the middle of nowhere. It's obviously easier to run fiber in countries that are smaller than some of our states.

But as far as why we don't have it in the big cities, I agree. I'm still kinda salty that we won't have FIOS in Michigan anytime soon.
 

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Verizon has their own network of fiber optics, I believe.
There are two ways to fix it. Let AT&T monopolize fiber optic networks.
The other is to hand over the all fiber optic networks to the US government and treat it akin to a federal highway. It becomes maintained and operated as federal property. So the pluses might be decreased costs. The minuses might be decreased quality of service.
or if you accidentally download or stream something you've just used federal property to commit a crime :(
 
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