Nomad1
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Lets be reality; Biggie was largely at fault with the Beef btw Pac
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Piff Perkins
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Dunno if I agree with the premise...I'm pretty sure Pac said that he was set up, and that Biggie knew about it and didn't warn him.
Ultimately I think Biggie tried to be slick and act like the beef wasn't on his end but he spent quite a bit of time sending shots. And to top it off he went to LA and basically spit on Pac's grave on the radio. I don't wish death on any man nor do I think he "deserved" to die...but that radio fukkery sealed his fate, and he should have known better. This shyt wasn't a game back then, he should have known.
Ultimately I think Biggie tried to be slick and act like the beef wasn't on his end but he spent quite a bit of time sending shots. And to top it off he went to LA and basically spit on Pac's grave on the radio. I don't wish death on any man nor do I think he "deserved" to die...but that radio fukkery sealed his fate, and he should have known better. This shyt wasn't a game back then, he should have known.
Nomad1
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Biggie stannery logic and revisionist history is incredibly rampant (and its spewed by Piggie stans on the coli on a daily basis). So lets clear some stuff up;
Pac never claimed Biggie set him up, he claimed that he didn't tell him who shot him immediately after the shooting when asked (he was stalling), and he didn't team up with him against Puffy, Henchmen, Jack, etc (but I can see why Biggie didn't).
Biggie seeing Pac in the hospital right after the shooting doesn't negate what I said above.
When Pac went to jail he didn't throw Biggie under the bus because he didn't suspect Biggie of being involved in the set-up. nikkas in jail were trying to say Biggie was involved in some why, but Pac rebuffed those ideas.
February 20, 1995, Biggie and Puffy release "Who Shot Ya" after the shooting which is an ill-advised move on both parts, regardless if the song was meant for Pac or not.
April 1995, Pac does that Vibe interview discussing the shooting, and mentions Henchmen and Jack's involvement (and Puffy playing a role in it). I don't recall him naming Biggie (if so correct me on this I haven't read that shyt in a while). Even in Against All Odds he names the nikkas that had a hand on his setup/shooting, and once again he never named Biggie.
Now DPG and Snoop release NY NY in November of 1995, as a tribute song to NY. Now what does Biggie do? He goes to a radio show saying Pac and DPG were filming in NY and "How are we gonna let them do this".
DPG and Snoop's trailer gets shot up (idk I heard rumors that it was Henchmen's goons), and they turn that song into a diss.
Pac, deadly threat, Dj quick, and DPG release NY 87 as a response to Biggie's reckless actions.
June 4, 1996, Pac releases Hit em Up as a response Who Shot Ya.
1. "Pac blamed Biggie for the setup". Debunked. He never blamed Biggie for no setup. He only accussed him of being a coward and disloyal (argumentative)
2. "But Pac and Biggie's friendship was a year long. Why would Pac be Angry". Considering Pac let Biggie open during his concerts, letting him sleep on his couch since he was homeless, taking the fall for gun charges for Biggie and his crew when they left it and dipped during the scene (idk where), giving Junior Mafia enough bus money to go home (), Biggie stole Pac's album concept (and didn't even give him a shoutout) on R2D, etc. So Pac being "angry" at Big is justified.
3. "But Pac beefed with Biggie to sell records". Possibly the biggest lie and excuse used by Biggie stans born after 1993. Pac already had a gold album (thug life vol 1) and 2 plat albums (s4mn and matw), and movie roles that would ensure his longevity in the entertainment industry. In fact, all of Pac's disses were a result of Biggie's first song that he released. As I listed above Pac never talked to the media until Biggie released Who Shot Ya. And why would Pac want to beef to sell records during a time when everyone was going gold and platinum without beefing?
Biggie stan logic debunked.
Keep ya head up Big...oh wait
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listen man
the only reason Tupac Sukur went at the Notorious B.I.G. was for the fact of pac being locked up in jail, his record label giving 2 shyts about him, basically deciding he was not worth bailing out & had no to little desire to promote his new album (interscope basically shytted on him)
his music career was in jeopardy and the only way you could get outta that was to go at another rapper and that rapper had to be the number1 rapper in da game!!!
every time he turned on the radio he heard the hottest joint from 'u know who
every time a nikka got locked up & talked hiphop they mention 'u know who
every time he read a hiphop mag the nikka killing dem streetz was 'u know who
musta BURNED HIS SOLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!every time a nikka got locked up & talked hiphop they mention 'u know who
every time he read a hiphop mag the nikka killing dem streetz was 'u know who
so he started this bullshyt war with 'u know fukkING who
you can come up with any theory you please too • but at the end of the day
.........FACTS ARE FACTS..........
biggie went platinum in March 1995
pac was yet to go platinum and what makes it even more hard from him was he had 3-1/2 year head start
This thread is fukking comedy gold
JuvenileHell
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Pac = GOAT 
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he broke it down with irrefutable facts while the piggie stans have nothing but 'gut insinct' Lol, what? Pac > Big as a rapper but have you nikkas lost your damn minds?
Pac was blaming big for something he didn't do and CLAIMED he had nothing do with, dissing him in interviews and on.. THAT'S when the beef started.
AFTER THAT
Big released an old song to troll Pac
Then Pac continued his rants
Came out from jail, hanging with random and questionable people turning up and still on his rant shyt
While Big was
Then Pac got murked the fukk out after starting his like 8th fight since getting released (not saying that they were related, but he was hot).
The crazy ass fundamentalists of stans that Pac maintains to this day then murked out Big.
End of story
Just from the way Pac moved, you can tell that it was like 90% him. Hanging with random shady gangsters from coast to coast one day, drug addicts the other day, homosexual designers, screaming like Kanye's troll interviews dissing everyone one day and talking like a young Obama the other day. He was a crazy person.
Pac was blaming big for something he didn't do and CLAIMED he had nothing do with, dissing him in interviews and on.. THAT'S when the beef started.
AFTER THAT
Big released an old song to troll Pac
Then Pac continued his rants
Came out from jail, hanging with random and questionable people turning up and still on his rant shyt
While Big was
Then Pac got murked the fukk out after starting his like 8th fight since getting released (not saying that they were related, but he was hot).
The crazy ass fundamentalists of stans that Pac maintains to this day then murked out Big.
End of story
Just from the way Pac moved, you can tell that it was like 90% him. Hanging with random shady gangsters from coast to coast one day, drug addicts the other day, homosexual designers, screaming like Kanye's troll interviews dissing everyone one day and talking like a young Obama the other day. He was a crazy person.
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raoulduke187
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don't you think in 2015 it's time to let go of the 2Pac vs Biggie beef?Jack Trippa 3z company ho
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1.wasnt a line in hitem up about frank white setting traps?
2.your right pac should have been angry he watched that black ashy fat greasy ugly nikka that used to sleep on the couch do what he tried for years in his first albumpac was jealous of big
3.ofcourse pac beefed with big for sales are u that much of a stan that u gonna act like suge wasnt gassin pac with that 97 octane... pac was a pawn in a chess game between suge and puff.. he was scared to get at the ny goonies who sonned him repeatedly so biggie and ny was the easy choice to blame to save face
Lol Pac was outselling Biggie by MILLIONS. He wasn't jealous, he was pissed that the dude he treated like family hung him out to dry
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Niccas are depressed lames
how is it 2015 and you've still got niccas making jokes out of 2pac and saying "piggie"? 
like it's even clever 
Embarassing
Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
listen man
the only reason Tupac Sukur went at the Notorious B.I.G. was for the fact of pac being locked up in jail, his record label giving 2 shyts about him, basically deciding he was not worth bailing out & had no to little desire to promote his new album (interscope basically shytted on him)
his music career was in jeopardy and the only way you could get outta that was to go at another rapper and that rapper had to be the number1 rapper in da game!!!
every time he turned on the radio he heard the hottest joint from 'u know whomusta BURNED HIS SOLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
every time a nikka got locked up & talked hiphop they mention 'u know who
every time he read a hiphop mag the nikka killing dem streetz was 'u know who
so he started this bullshyt war with 'u know fukkING who
you can come up with any theory you please too • but at the end of the day
.........FACTS ARE FACTS..........
biggie went platinum in March 1995
pac was yet to go platinum and what makes it even more hard from him was he had 3-1/2 year head start
That's all opinions nikka "bubub Pac was jealous". What I said were facts which all have dates. You cant refute facts with opinions.