Let's be honest: Qui-Gon Jinn ruined everything

[MajesticLion]

Good debate in here



Although if anything, Qui-gon was the change the jedi needed but refused to accept. You have a cadre of dogmatic warrior-priests who are stuck in their thinking, refuse to adapt, and for all of their force talents are incapable of versatility in their training/teaching methods. How arrogant do you have to be to tell yourself that the "child of prophecy", who outstrips every last one of you in potential and skill, can be trained using the same standard methods? How do you not humble yourself and say "this is beyond us, we need a different approach here"? How do you not at least consider the unconventional?

And that's the feeding ground a Sith like Palpatine thrives in...the unconventional.



If anything the regular jedi-padawan relationship shouldn't have been Anakin's path, he should have had several different teachers to give him balance...especially in dealing with his recklessness and emotional instability in general. From Kit Fisto to Quinlan Vos, give him the full range of teachings/teachers to help him find his balance.

 

[Won Won]

Lucas made the Jedi a bunch of dumb celibate weirdos

 

[acri1]

Hmm that's one way to look at it lol. Yoda and Mace could have also not let Anakin hang around Palpatine too.

I mean Mace flat out said "it's very dangerous putting them together". Umm then don't do it

To be honest he probably would've just done it behind their backs. We're talking about somebody who married and impregnated a Senator knowing damn well that was against the rules...

 

[Peter Popoff]

He was white looking for the next white savior. He didn't want history to end with Mace and Yoda being the 2 most powerful Jedi in history.

Anakin didn't start getting powerful til he turned into a real nikka in all black and inherited a real nikkas moniker.

George lowkey knew what he was doing.

 

[Starboy52]

Maybe Qui-Gon could've kept him in check, but even so Anakin was fundamentally unfit to be a Jedi.

Blame the council if you want, but a normal person in Anakin's situation would not be convinced to start murdering kids because they're worried about their wife and/or didn't get a promotion.

Him being unfit is true, but that's the cost of trying to indoctrinate a slave child who likely had to bottle his feelings since birth into a cult of emotionally detached space monks, then spend the next 14-15 years stifling the shyt out of him because they fear the vast amount of power, skill & potential he possesses.

Maybe Qui Gon would've been able to reign Anakin in and guide him better due to his unconventional thoughts and beliefs for a Jedi, maybe not. But Obi Wan and the Jedi Counsel fukked UP with how they handled Anakin and made the outcome much worse than anyone could've thought possible.

 

[duckbutta]

qui gon was a fukk up and the whole movie he had nothing but questionable ideas. if i was on the jedi council i would have been looking at him with the the whole time

This is pretty much how leadership works in corporate america

The higher up you go the dumber people get and the less they know about the business as a whole

 

[MidniteJay]

Maybe Qui-Gon could've kept him in check, but even so Anakin was fundamentally unfit to be a Jedi.

Blame the council if you want, but a normal person in Anakin's situation would not be convinced to start murdering kids because they're worried about their wife and/or didn't get a promotion.

Anakin is just a psycho bytch.

I said it before. If your job ain't treating you right just resign. You don't go on a fukking killing spree.

Anakin had a chance to style on the council too. If he really wanted that come up, he should have served Palpatine to the council once he revealed himself. If the council still won't give him his props just leave and become a family man. He was the only one in the order getting p*ssy anyway.

 

[FatherSimp]

Anakin is just a psycho bytch.

I said it before. If your job ain't treating you right just resign. You don't go on a fukking killing spree.

Anakin had a chance to style on the council too. If he really wanted that come up, he should have served Palpatine to the council once he revealed himself. If the council still won't give him his props just leave and become a family man. He was the only one in the order getting p*ssy anyway.

Obi-Wan had hoes too

Hoes on different star systems and shyt

Jedi Pimp for real

 

[Devilinurear]

So no one talks about how the jedi just allowed slavery to continue on that planet.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

If they just took the time to negotiate a buyout for one of their pupil's enslaved mother

But Qui-gon or no Qui-Gon Jedi still allowed Palpatine to infiltrate and set up the clone army with Order 66 installed. If the Jedi didn't train Anakin he would have found a way to still train him or someone else to carry out the plan under their cult noses. They may have not been Anakin powerful, but there were plenty of other dark side force users in the wings

 

[Neuromancer]

Ani restored balance to the force.

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

So no one talks about how the jedi just allowed slavery to continue on that planet.

slavery wasnt illegal in the republic i guess

planets rights

actually if they made the movie about jedi trying to free slaves it would have been a lot more interesting than the phantom menace we got. coulda had them trying to free anakin, then at the end they weren’t able to free his mom for some reason. that would set up him blaming them later on for her death. it would have been a lot more engaging than the political intrigue BS we got instead

but they could hve AT LEAST gone back to free anakins mom once they got back to the capitol. why did they just leave her to be a slave for the rest of her life?

 

[Jax]

Anakin was a lame cac weirdo with no hoes what else did you expect to happen?
If you know, you know.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Yoda: Don't train that nikka, he's dangerous, he might turn to the dark side
Mace: Train that nikka do not, dangerous he is, turn to the dark side he might

that role reversal

 

[acri1]

So no one talks about how the jedi just allowed slavery to continue on that planet.

To be fair, they didn't really allow it, Tattooine was outside of the Jedi's jurisdiction. And two Jedi that happened to get stuck there don't have the power to make a whole planet end slavery.

Not saying they shouldn't have been more proactive, but there are billions of planets in the galaxy and there were only about 10,000 Jedi. They had limited resources.