Let's be honest: Qui-Gon Jinn ruined everything

[acri1]

Why does everybody act like Qui-Gon was this great Jedi? As far as I can see the whole situation is basically his fault.




Mace: Don't train that nikka, he's dangerous, he might turn to the dark side
Yoda: Train that nikka do not, dangerous he is, turn to the dark side he might

Obi-Wan: Low key I think they're right

Qui-Gon: It's my dying wish, yall gotta honor it

Yoda and Mace:

Anakin (15 years later): *turns to the dark side, wipes out the Jedi, spends the next few decades oppressing the galaxy and helping the Empire commit mass murder*




Seems to be like the galaxy would've been much better off if Yoda and Mace ignored Qui-Gon and gave Anakin the

 

[BlackMajik]

Hmm that's one way to look at it lol. Yoda and Mace could have also not let Anakin hang around Palpatine too.

I mean Mace flat out said "it's very dangerous putting them together". Umm then don't do it

 

[jdubnyce]

Palatine is the reason

 

[Professor K.]

An untrained Anakin growing up solo and coming to wreck shyt as an adult like Bane

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

qui gon was a fukk up and the whole movie he had nothing but questionable ideas. if i was on the jedi council i would have been looking at him with the the whole time

 

[Absolut da poet ®]

 

[acri1]

An untrained Anakin growing up solo and coming to wreck shyt as an adult like Bane

Honestly I don't think he really does much without training, probably just lives on Tattooine his whole life.

Potential only goes so far. After all 10 year old Anakin had a higher midichlorian count than Yoda, but he was still getting beat up by Watto.


Now if Palpatine somehow gets to him earlier it might be a different story

 

[qwasi]

Qui Gon Jinn isn't responsible for the Jedi refusing Anakin a position in the council. Its not his fault that his peers belittled his leadership and commitment. Allowing for Palpatine to slither in and manipulate his impressionable mind. Anakin was an accomplished Jedi and the star of the clone wars. Yoda and Mace were the only grandmasters who could question him. If anything I blame the council. It was evident he had exceeded Obi Wan's teachings and needed a different master. They all could sense and tell his propensity to succumb to extreme emotions. Windu, a master of Vapaad should've overseen his training during this period. Guiding him on how to harness the Dark Side for good. Instead these old lames were content on chastising him and telling him be better.

 

[acri1]

Qui Gon Jinn isn't responsible for the Jedi refusing Anakin a position in the council. Its not his fault that his peers belittled his leadership and commitment. Allowing for Palpatine to slither in and manipulate his impressionable mind. Anakin was an accomplished Jedi and the star of the clone wars. Yoda and Mace were the only grandmasters who could question him. If anything I blame the council. It was evident he had exceeded Obi Wan's teachings and needed a different master. They all could sense and tell his propensity to succumb to extreme emotions. Windu, a master of Vapaad should've overseen his training during this period. Guiding him on how to harness the Dark Side for good. Instead these old lames were content on chastising him and telling him be better.

Why would they want somebody that's clearly emotionally unstable on the Jedi Council that decision was 100% justified.

The Jedi aren't obligated to do whatever Anakin wants just because he's a war hero. And absolutely nothing they did justifies Anakin murdering a bunch of people and oppressing the galaxy.


The best decision would've been for the Jedi to just follow their own rules and just not train him in the first place.

 

[qwasi]

Why would they want somebody that's clearly emotionally unstable on the Jedi Council that decision was 100% justified.

The Jedi aren't obligated to do whatever Anakin wants just because he's a war hero. And absolutely nothing they did justifies Anakin murdering a bunch of people and oppressing the galaxy.

The Jedi were concerned by the power Anakin displayed. By 22 he had obtained grandmaster level status. The emotional instability he displayed had been present from his childhood. It was the duties of the council to find the best methods to harness and control his abilities. Especially as the assumption was he'd been the prophesied child. A child who'd started training at a much later stage than most recruits. Giving a NEED to ensure his vast Force sensitivity was controlled. Your Jedi rank corresponded with your affinity for the Light Side and achievements at said level. The Jedi are obligated to allocate their students a rank befitting of their status.

Anakin's emotions came from THEIR belittlement of his achievements. Time and again a challenge was presented, he conquered it and excuse was presented of his incompetence. Its no different than a sportsman with incredible individual merits but slighted because they lack a championship. Palpatine's manipulation and conversion of Anakin played on his fear of loss. He lost his mother. He lost his apprentice. He lost his rightful rank. He would lose his true love. Meanwhile, there is a whole fukking Jedi in Windu who harnesses Dark and Light Side and finds balance. All 12 of those clowns and not one of them thought to volunteer him as teacher??

 

[acri1]

The Jedi were concerned by the power Anakin displayed. By 22 he had obtained grandmaster level status. The emotional instability he displayed had been present from his childhood. It was the duties of the council to find the best methods to harness and control his abilities. Especially as the assumption was he'd been the prophesied child. A child who'd started training at a much later stage than most recruits. Giving a NEED to ensure his vast Force sensitivity was controlled. Your Jedi rank corresponded with your affinity for the Light Side and achievements at said level. The Jedi are obligated to allocate their students a rank befitting of their status.

Anakin's emotions came from THEIR belittlement of his achievements. Time and again a challenge was presented, he conquered it and excuse was presented of his incompetence. Its no different than a sportsman with incredible individual merits but slighted because they lack a championship. Palpatine's manipulation and conversion of Anakin played on his fear of loss. He lost his mother. He lost his apprentice. He lost his rightful rank. He would lose his true love. Meanwhile, there is a whole fukking Jedi in Windu who harnesses Dark and Light Side and finds balance. All 12 of those clowns and not one of them thought to volunteer him as teacher??

Being a Jedi isn't just about being powerful, that kind of thinking is exactly why Anakin didn't deserve a spot on the council. He was in no way entitled to a spot on the council just because he was a good fighter.

Even if he was stronger than Yoda, he's still an entitled, emotionally unstable 22 year old that's prone to making terrible decisions and doing things behind the Jedi's back (like getting married to a politician and having a kid, potentially creating a political scandal). Fact of the matter is that they thought he was untrustworthy because he WAS untrustworthy. That automatically disqualifies him from the council regardless of his force powers.


The Jedi Council was flawed but Anakin is responsible for his own actions. If he didn't like the council he could've just left. Nobody made him murder a bunch of kids and terrorize the galaxy. I don't like this idea that Anakin's actions are everybody else's fault but his own. Being mad at the council doesn't come close to justifying all the terrible shyt he did.

 

[Starboy52]

qui gon was a fukk up and the whole movie he had nothing but questionable ideas. if i was on the jedi council i would have been looking at him with the the whole time

Nah, breh. He was more right than wrong and the Jedi counsel had gotten a little TOO complacent and archaic in their views.


Had Qui-Gon lived to train Anakin? There’s a good chance he doesn’t turn out the way he does because he has someone who was knee deep in the force game (as opposed to Obi-Wan, who JUST got promoted after his death and clearly still needed an adjustment period) and not living religiously from millennia year old texts and scribes that are entirely out of date

 

[acri1]

Nah, breh. He was more right than wrong and the Jedi counsel had gotten a little TOO complacent and archaic in their views.


Had Qui-Gon lived to train Anakin? There’s a good chance he doesn’t turn out the way he does because he has someone who was knee deep in the force game (as opposed to Obi-Wan, who JUST got promoted after his death and clearly still needed an adjustment period) and not living religiously from millennia year old texts and scribes that are entirely out of date

Maybe Qui-Gon could've kept him in check, but even so Anakin was fundamentally unfit to be a Jedi.

Blame the council if you want, but a normal person in Anakin's situation would not be convinced to start murdering kids because they're worried about their wife and/or didn't get a promotion.

 

[Rell Lauren]

If he was Force sensitive who's to say he doesn't get found by Palpatine anyway? Dooku could have been the one to grab him instead of the Jedi.

 

[HipHopStan]

The more that I read up on Jedi Master Plo Koon, the more I think he was one of the best examples of what I think a Jedi should be. He's calm, but has a quiet sense of humor. He's adept but keeps his skills to himself and doesn't show off. He understands emotion rather than severing it. To me he's a perfect Jedi. He also understood Anakin's plight. Sticking with the 'lost padawan' story arc from the Clone Wars, during their conversation in the Jedi temple when Anakin was losing his cool, Plo calmly suggested that if Anakin has trained Ahsoka well she will find her way back to him. Any other Jedi would have said they must fear the worst and Anakin should learn to let go of Ahsoka and his attachments. Even Anakin looked surprised by what Plo said and actually seemed to calm himself a bit. This makes me wonder how Plo would have handled Anakin's conflict during Episode III when he was overrun with emotions. Plus, you know damn well that he voted against Ahsoka's expulsion from the Jedi Order.