Olynk and Mickey will likely be gone. As will Sullinger. What about Lee, Johnson, Crowder, Thomas, and Turner though compared those aforementioned Bucks?
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Olynk and Mickey will likely be gone. As will Sullinger. What about Lee, Johnson, Crowder, Thomas, and Turner though compared those aforementioned Bucks?
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So that's a no?
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Wouldn't even put it past Ainge to have Mickey ride the bench and then trade him will keeping 30 year old stop gap PF's like Amir & Lee.
And no, those players aren't even comparable. Outside of Thomas they're nothing more than role players and that's all they will ever be.
But Middleton, Vaughn, Henson, and Giannis are destined to be all stars, right?
Khris Middleton actually got All-NBA votes this year if I'm not mistaken. And Giannis definitely has star potential.
Put it like this.
I would take Giannis over anyone on the Celtics roster. I would take Middleton over anyone on the Celtics roster except Thomas. I would take Henson over any big on the Celtics roster.
Henson over David Lee? Henson over Amir Johnson? Henson over Jan Crowder?
Yes.
David Lee is a washed up 33 year old who's a liability on one end of the floor. Amir Johnson is an injury prone 10 year vet that's never averaged more than 10/7, Jae Crowder is a 6'6 SF, would hardly classify him as a big.
Henson is a legit rim protector and could easily average a double-double if he was given a starting role, and he's only 24.
You could say the same thing about Amir Johnson if he was given more than 28 minutes a game and could stay healthy.
You could but it's been 10 years and he hasn't been able to do it. At this point he is what he is
And also Amir is nowhere near the shot blocker that Henson is
Forgot y'all netted him in the Rondo trade
. He's a nice piece -- can easily develop into a competent, league average SF. Most improved player though...
with all that. Maybe playing 30+ MPG will boost his development.
You could but it's been 10 years and he hasn't been able to do it. At this point he is what he is
And also Amir is nowhere near the shot blocker that Henson is
Henson's nowhere near the offensive threat that Amir is. And Amir is just as good a defender as Henson, if not better.
The Bucks/Jazz comparison was in terms of free agent draw. Boston, in and of itself, is not a draw. Our legacy, in and of itself, is not a draw. Its our foundation (in our case, depth), system and coach. Bucks have more potential talent, Jazz has Gobert (who would be the ultimate fit on this squad fwiw) and other nice pieces. Thomas is the only talent remotely comparable to the high end talent of those two teams but he is a defensive liability and is really only comparable in that he is more established and is on a peanuts contract. With starter's minutes, he could drop 20+ ppg easy..due to his size, his defensive potential is nearly capped. He can read the passing lanes and get some steals but he is never going to be more than average (at absolute best) defensively. Id still take Jabari/Giannis/Gobert, in terms of potential over anyone on our roster, easily. Thomas is in tier 1b or 2 with Heyward/Monroe/Favors/Exum/Middleton...and Thomas is probably near the bottom of that totem pole with Exum being the biggest wildcard (has shown improvement in SL but big project). Both Mil and Uta have better talent.
On the other hand, we are in a better position than LAL or NYK. Who knows with Philly..but if someone subscribes to tanking than Philly is in a better position than us. They have more and better picks than us and three 4/5 star centers (trade value right now). Thing is, if you think we have trouble signing big names..well Philly is worse...Nobody remotely big is signing with them for 2-3 years. Thats why we are in the middle of these teams as you say.
As much as I ranted about Ainge on draft day, he's lucky as fukk we still have cap and picks in the pocket. The draft was god awful and it cant be spun otherwise. He said we wouldnt use 4 picks and we did. Then news came out of the ridiculous trade offers he was sending out and got declined..which actually devalued those assets since he was handing them out like candy..then we reach for Rozier..and I dont care if hes good or not, fact is he was a bad pick. He's redundant with Smart so I dont see whats the point of that unless we just want that type of player on the court at all times. Mickey seems ok but meh. Not a big fan of Hunter at all..seems like a p*ssy who cant create his own shot..but, with respect to him, I wont write him off because hes coming from a small school in a weak conference so he may need a little time to adjust...seemed like a pure BPA Brad pick because Brad knows him and he was projected to be picked earlier. Thornton probably will never play a game for us. After all those trades flopped, I have NO IDEA why we wouldnt just gamble on crack head Upshaw instead of Thornton. Thats a boom or bust pick and he probably couldve made the roster. Thornton is fodder at best.
With all that said, If we tanked, we mighta lost Stevens. By picking up Lee/Johnson and bringing back Jae/Jonas, we pretty much cemented ourselves as a playoff team with or without injury and didn't hurt the cap at all. With another good year, hopefully, players will see we aren't a fluke team. We should trade for a 3 to clear roster space (gimme Gallo or Wilson Chandler)..shoot for 45 wins and go from there. Whether tanking was right or wrong doesnt matter..we are too far gone from that being possible anymore. Gotta just look forward.
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@VMR There's not really much in your post that I disagree with. Tanking wasn't an option now after last season, and now we're just stuck in the middle. Like you said earlier hopefully those outside picks we have turn out to be gold and/or we can luck up and swing a trade for a disgruntled star (Cousins, maybe Paul George wanting out of Indy if things go bad).
We're not a capped out veteran team and we're not lacking picks, but just, right now for me there's not much to be optimistic about. I'm hoping for the best but preparing for the worst
We're not a capped out veteran team and we're not lacking picks, but just, right now for me there's not much to be optimistic about. I'm hoping for the best but preparing for the worst
Thats how I live every moment. Its somewhat miserable. I know the feels.
Thats why I WIGGED during the draft in multiple threads and even upped my old ass thread about Ainge. That was literally the worst. I couldnt have envisioned a worse scenario, other than trading all those picks for Kaminsky. I thought Charlotte was drafting for us and I was shook until the day after. I would have turned in my fan card for good.