Leo Santa Cruz on Rigo fight: "Haymon told me none of the fans would be happy to see that fight"

[The Fukin Prophecy]

at me being white just because I wanna see young boxers take on stiffer competition after they done milked the belts/networks for a couple years (like LSC has apparently done)

Damn we went from talking about boxing match ups to the business side of boxing and now into the racial demographics of boxing fans.

Apparently believing a Mexican who blatantly ducks challenging fights for televised sparring sessions shouldn't continue being rewarded for that is a white train of thought...

Why should I pay someone with my support when they refuse to work for it ? That's not a white mindset, that's called common sense...Nobody should be getting paid to fight cans and they'll rightfully keep doing that until we the FANS stop supporting them...

I got no hate for those taking advantage of boxings current business model...Thats not the fighters fault, the fault lies with us the fans who keep supporting this bullshyt...I don't understand what is wrong or "CAC" about wanting to change that business model and acknowledging you have the power to do so...

I'm done arguing this though, I know what I'm doing for every LSC fight and there are plenty of boxing fans who will rightfully be doing the same thing...

 

[SuikodenII]

My boxing opinions transcend racial bias's.

Hey if Haymon/Showtime/HBO etc.. wanna pay a guy like LSC top dollar to face sparring partners that's on them. Just do that shyt off air. We don't need fights like that shoved down or throats.

If changing the pay structure for some of these boxers can help change that mentality then fine, if it can't it's whatever. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I never said anything about taking money out of a nikkas pockets. That's what you keep saying. I just want boxers to actually earn their pay days just like every other normal working joe blow that has to earn their pay check.

If nikkas wanna disagree with that then

This is why nikkas shouldn't be getting 700k -1 mil paydays until they've faced at least several top 5 dudes around their division

Saying that a fighter "should" only make a certain amount after certain qualifiers is taking away from their potential plate. You then went around dapping @The Fukin Prophecy in agreement who stated

The only way this practice changes is by hurting their pockets

Seemed to me like you and him have no problem taking food off the fighters' plate.

Why should there be a cap on the fighers' income and not the promoter? Understand that whatever money does not go to the fighter WILL go to the promoter. A fighter's purse is built off projections of revenue to be generated unless it's prematurely guaranteed by a network's investment. Santa Cruz has earned his, despite his past two opponents. Rigo can talk all he wants, I'm an OG supporter but his management team is terrible. Despite earning his as well, he ain't making half as much as LSC and can't secure US TV. That's BAD management. Rigo is not a boring fighter despite Arum and HBO's blatant double-team effort sabotaging of his career. It doesn't help that his last 3 bouts were a bad HBO ratings turn-out in a fight that got bad press, PPV undercard hell, and Japan TV. I don't place much stock in Frampton/Rigondeaux happening either, but if Frampton is demanding enough without any other bigger money fights on the horizon.......... it's possible, but still not likely.

Is Al Haymon correct in what he's saying about a Rigo fight not peaking as much interest as us hardcore boxing fans think? Yep. Does it absolutely suck that he's right? Yep.

LSC among many other fighters can make these easy pay days because they have built a fan base and following among the casual fan along with having networks and promoters that buy into them. And yes, having Al Haymon in your corner, a man who is actually behaving as a manger and not an extension of the promoter, is beneficial. It also doesn't hurt that he's young, handsome, Mexican but speaks English, undefeated, and a KO producing, pressure-fighting champion.

He's getting his and looking to get more, a big pay day in against either Jhonny GAWDzalezz (career suicide and guaranteed loss ) or Abner Mares. Rigondeaux deserves it too, but he'll have to continue to build. Like I said earlier, some fighters have an easier road to the top.

 

[SuikodenII]

Apparently believing a Mexican who blatantly ducks challenging fights for televised sparring sessions shouldn't continue being rewarded for that is a white train of thought...

Why should I pay someone with my support when they refuse to work for it ? That's not a white mindset, that's called common sense...Nobody should be getting paid to fight cans and they'll rightfully keep doing that until we the FANS stop supporting them...

I got no hate for those taking advantage of boxings current business model...Thats not the fighters fault, the fault lies with us the fans who keep supporting this bullshyt...I don't understand what is wrong or "CAC" about wanting to change that business model and acknowledging you have the power to do so...

I'm done arguing this though, I know what I'm doing for every LSC fight and there are plenty of boxing fans who will rightfully be doing the same thing...

You want to change it by taking money away from the fighter's cut which changes absolutely nothing, that's where we heavily disagree.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

You want to change it by taking money away from the fighter's cut which changes absolutely nothing, that's where we heavily disagree.

How does forcing them to chase a bigger prize (money) change nothing?

Refusing to watch shyt fights doesnt just effect the fighter it also effects the promoter...Once again, our interest is what keeps these guys paid...A promoter and his fighter aren't going to just sit there and not try to give the fans what we want if the fights they're fixing aren't getting them paid...This is basic demand economics bruh...

 

[Newzz]

Hardcore fans dont determine the market/revenue....casuals do.


LSC can get paid 1.5 million off of 2 fights with his sparring partners, because casuals tune in when he fights. Rigo was only gonna get 238k to fight Chris Avalos, because nobody but Hardcore fans wanna see him fight. It's simple brehs.


WE, the hardcore fan, can NOT change what fighters are paid. Only casuals can and they love who they love....exciting fighters, so all this other talk about "not watching" the fight means absolutely zero brehs.



Not to pick on him, but Danny Garcia got 700k to fight Rod Salka.....and STILL drew in 808,000 viewrs


http://www.boxingscene.com/-protest-garcia-salka-draws-808k-viewers--80963


To put that in perspective, Amir Khan vs Devon Alexander drew in only 762,000 viewers in a MUCH better and more anticipated matchup...............by the Hardcore fan though


http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/12/khan-alexander-averages-762k-viewers-on-showtime/


If the casuals wanna see you fight, you are gonna make big money. If they dont, you wont. It's kinda simple. Hardcore fans do not fit into the equation

 

[SuikodenII]

How does forcing them to chase a bigger prize (money) change nothing?

Refusing to watch shyt fights doesnt just effect the fighter it also effects the promoter...Once again, our interest is what keeps these guys paid...A promoter and his fighter aren't going to just sit there and not try to give the fans what we want if the fights they're fixing aren't getting them paid...This is basic demand economics bruh...

Rigondeaux is not bigger money than Mares or Gonzalez........ nowhere close. That's what's coming next.

Basic Demandanomics would be true if Rigo was in demand in the US. He's not.

He's in demand by the hardcore fans that discuss boxing on the internet, but, that doesn't mean much to the big networks and promoters who are looking at sponsors, viewership ratings, press, network subscribers......

They're looking at maximizing profits, and despite what we demand, Rigo's management is the biggest hurdle, they suck.



Will mass drops in viewership and bad press put the pressure on, sure it will. Did that happen in his last bout despite people knowing full well who LSC was facing? No. People are being reactionary to LSC's back tracking on facing Rigondeaux and attempting to slide this off on Al Haymon who simply advises and can't make LSC fight or not fight anyone. When people are reactionary they become wrapped up in their feelings towards a certain person or entity and, in this case, completely ignore any and every factor outside of their feelings. Rigondeaux has also been a lot more vocal than he ever was when he was hemmed up by Arum/HBO. Good for him, keep it up and keep your name buzzing.

 

[krackdagawd]

Hardcore fans dont determine the market/revenue....casuals do.


LSC can get paid 1.5 million off of 2 fights with his sparring partners, because casuals tune in when he fights. Rigo was only gonna get 238k to fight Chris Avalos, because nobody but Hardcore fans wanna see him fight. It's simple brehs.


WE, the hardcore fan, can NOT change what fighters are paid. Only casuals can and they love who they love....exciting fighters, so all this other talk about "not watching" the fight means absolutely zero brehs.



Not to pick on him, but Danny Garcia got 700k to fight Rod Salka.....and STILL drew in 808,000 viewrs


http://www.boxingscene.com/-protest-garcia-salka-draws-808k-viewers--80963


To put that in perspective, Amir Khan vs Devon Alexander drew in only 762,000 viewers in a MUCH better and more anticipated matchup...............by the Hardcore fan though


http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/12/khan-alexander-averages-762k-viewers-on-showtime/


If the casuals wanna see you fight, you are gonna make big money. If they dont, you wont. It's kinda simple. Hardcore fans do not fit into the equation

We're the equivalent of smarks in wrestling, our opinions don't matter

 

[WhodatWhoadi]

at me being white just because I wanna see young boxers take on stiffer competition after they done milked the belts/networks for a couple years (like LSC has apparently done)

Damn we went from talking about boxing match ups to the business side of boxing and now into the racial demographics of boxing fans.

Shut up CAC!

The only way to stop this shyt is to stop supporting BS match ups. If nikkas stop buying MAY vs random hyped up messican warrior 47 or PAC vs random bum ass kid that is a paper champ 52, then we could get the fights we want. Stop putting money into these nikkas pockets, and they will be FORCED to meet our demands. Us as the fans are giving these dudes the power to mess up boxing cuz we hand over buku bucks for weak ass fights. If nikkas had to fight the tough fights to make a lot of money, then they would do that but why risk your career when you can fight Salka and still do numbers?

real talk, I remember telling folks to not support the garcia/salka fight...but most of yall still tuned in

 

[#SOG_soldier]

Shut up CAC!


real talk, I remember telling folks to not support the garcia/salka fight...but most of yall still tuned in

i streamed

 

[Newzz]

We're the equivalent of smarks in wrestling, our opinions don't matter

Exactly


If smarks had their way...Daniel Bryan would be facing off with CM Punk at Wrestlemania in the main event. HHH knows it's not what's best for business though

 

[#SOG_soldier]

Hardcore fans dont determine the market/revenue....casuals do.


LSC can get paid 1.5 million off of 2 fights with his sparring partners, because casuals tune in when he fights. Rigo was only gonna get 238k to fight Chris Avalos, because nobody but Hardcore fans wanna see him fight. It's simple brehs.


WE, the hardcore fan, can NOT change what fighters are paid. Only casuals can and they love who they love....exciting fighters, so all this other talk about "not watching" the fight means absolutely zero brehs.



Not to pick on him, but Danny Garcia got 700k to fight Rod Salka.....and STILL drew in 808,000 viewrs


http://www.boxingscene.com/-protest-garcia-salka-draws-808k-viewers--80963


To put that in perspective, Amir Khan vs Devon Alexander drew in only 762,000 viewers in a MUCH better and more anticipated matchup...............by the Hardcore fan though


http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/12/khan-alexander-averages-762k-viewers-on-showtime/


If the casuals wanna see you fight, you are gonna make big money. If they dont, you wont. It's kinda simple. Hardcore fans do not fit into the equation

yeah, for every hardcore fan, there are 1,000 casuals

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

at paying for Showtime/HBO subscriptions, but refusing to watch some of the fights because their mismatches.
If boxing is on tv that I'm paying for it's going to end up getting watched. Real boxing fans can't help it. It's not like ppv or a live ticket where you go out of the way to watch that shyt. Promoters and these networks just gonna have to do better.

Why the fans gotta punish themselves Swift and Broner could fight a couple of plumbers on Showtime and I'll watch that shyt and then log on here afterwards and bytch about it (if the fight sucked) That's just the nature of the beast.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Saying that a fighter "should" only make a certain amount after certain qualifiers is taking away from their potential plate. You then went around dapping @The Fukin Prophecy in agreement who stated

Seemed to me like you and him have no problem taking food off the fighters' plate.

Why should there be a cap on the fighers' income and not the promoter? Understand that whatever money does not go to the fighter WILL go to the promoter. A fighter's purse is built off projections of revenue to be generated unless it's prematurely guaranteed by a network's investment. Santa Cruz has earned his, despite his past two opponents. Rigo can talk all he wants, I'm an OG supporter but his management team is terrible. Despite earning his as well, he ain't making half as much as LSC and can't secure US TV. That's BAD management. Rigo is not a boring fighter despite Arum and HBO's blatant double-team effort sabotaging of his career. It doesn't help that his last 3 bouts were a bad HBO ratings turn-out in a fight that got bad press, PPV undercard hell, and Japan TV. I don't place much stock in Frampton/Rigondeaux happening either, but if Frampton is demanding enough without any other bigger money fights on the horizon.......... it's possible, but still not likely.

Is Al Haymon correct in what he's saying about a Rigo fight not peaking as much interest as us hardcore boxing fans think? Yep. Does it absolutely suck that he's right? Yep.

LSC among many other fighters can make these easy pay days because they have built a fan base and following among the casual fan along with having networks and promoters that buy into them. And yes, having Al Haymon in your corner, a man who is actually behaving as a manger and not an extension of the promoter, is beneficial. It also doesn't hurt that he's young, handsome, Mexican but speaks English, undefeated, and a KO producing, pressure-fighting champion.

He's getting his and looking to get more, a big pay day in against either Jhonny GAWDzalezz (career suicide and guaranteed loss ) or Abner Mares. Rigondeaux deserves it too, but he'll have to continue to build. Like I said earlier, some fighters have an easier road to the top.

at you thinking I was going to read all of that for shytty fights.

nikka

 

[patscorpio]

at paying for Showtime/HBO subscriptions, but refusing to watch some of the fights because their mismatches.
If boxing is on tv that I'm paying for it's going to end up getting watched. Real boxing fans can't help it. It's not like ppv or a live ticket where you go out of the way to watch that shyt. Promoters and these networks just gonna have to do better.

Why the fans gotta punish themselves Swift and Broner could fight a couple of plumbers on Showtime and I'll watch that shyt and then log on here afterwards and bytch about it (if the fight sucked) That's just the nature of the beast.

i tried my hardest not to watch that shyt live...originally my plan that night i was going to head to a club in providence, ri to my rich homegirl's party to party and get drunk then come back and watch it after...but she cancelled and rescheduled the party and i had no backup plan to get out of the spot..i was stuck on my couch that night watching it

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

i tried my hardest not to watch that shyt live...originally my plan that night i was going to head to a club in providence, ri to my rich homegirl's party to party and get drunk then come back and watch it after...but she cancelled and rescheduled the party and i had no backup plan to get out of the spot..i was stuck on my couch that night watching it

I feel you god. I try to find better shyt to do too whenever it's a shytty card on, but sometimes nothing happens and you gotta stay home and watch the card anyways.

I remember I had to go to a birthday party at a club the night of Bradley/Ruslan. I blazed up and saw the 1st couple rounds and was bu then had to leave so a nikka went to this . Party was wack too. Came home like 3 or 4am and watched the rest of that classic ass fight.