You never watched Jordan live. LeBron would guard the other team's better offensive player while Pippen did for the Bulls. MJ would be guarding Byron Russell and shyt.
Lebron vs Kobe when it comes to elimination games (win or go home)
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You never watched Jordan live. LeBron would guard the other team's better offensive player while Pippen did for the Bulls. MJ would be guarding Byron Russell and shyt.
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Bullshyt. He was a very good defender just like these guys are he got served you one of those nikkas that thinks Jordan dominated every 4Q and locked down everyone he faced.For me, being called a great on-ball defender means consistent great defense...night in & night out. Yes, Kobe has many possessions where he has locked down an offensive player, even full games over the course of his career, but he's never done it on a consistent, nightly basis where I'd call him a great defender in the same vein as a Jordan or Pippen....or an Artest/Allen. Same with Bron.
I equate "great defenders" with lockdown defenders. That's just my opinion though
I seen LeBron hold Melo to 12 of 41 (29%) shooting in the '12 Playoffs and D-Rose to 1 of 16 (6%) in the '11 Playoffs. LeBron is a lockdown defender, Kobe during the first 3-Peat was a very good on-ball defender too.
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False information.
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Why did a CBA guy named LaBradford Smith drop 37 on Jordan's head?
Where did I say this?
Jordan was a lockdown defender breh...I don't know why yall getting so mad at the truth
True...but I've also seen LeBron let lesser players like Iggy in the '15 playoffs & Jason Terry in the '11 playoffs put up buckets on him as well
LeBron nor Kobe were lockdown defenders on a regular basis. Jordan was
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So he let a CBA guy score well above his season averages two nights is a rowHe had an off game and let a bum go off....it happens
However, he proceeded to put up 47 while holding Smith to 15 the very next night.
I expect the G.O.A.T. to drop 47 on an undersized journeyman CBA player
I don't remember Iggy killing LeBron in 2015, Mozgov was guarding him for much of that series.
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The only thing stopping LeBron from being widely regarded as better than Jordan is people's nostalgia.
Its really simple as that. And you cant argue with how people want to remember things versus the reality
Its really simple as that. And you cant argue with how people want to remember things versus the reality
So he let a CBA guy score well above his season averages two nights is a row
I expect the G.O.A.T. to drop 47 on an undersized journeyman CBA player
I don't remember Iggy killing LeBron in 2015, Mozgov was guarding him for much of that series.
Breh...it's not like Im bashing LeBron by saying he's a good defender, just not great/lockdown defender.
I just don't see him as a guy who could lock down every team's best offensive player every night or damn near. Jordan was...he just as good of a defender as Pippen was. He didn't have to because he had Pippen to do it while he held down the scoring load..
Jordan was a GREAT defender
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Because it's B.S., LeBron has made too many All-NBA Defensive Teams, finished as a DPoY runner-up twice, has amassed dominant advanced defensive statistics, put on defensive clinics and made iconic defensive plays. He's done everything required of a great/lockdown defender and at 31 with his mileage still competes.Breh...it's not like Im bashing LeBron by saying he's a good defender, just not great/lockdown defender.
I just don't see him as a guy who could lock down every team's best offensive player every night or damn near. Jordan was...he just as good of a defender as Pippen was. He didn't have to because he had Pippen to do it while he held down the scoring load..
Jordan was a GREAT defender
Jordan didn't lock people down every night nobody has. Is he a great defender? Yes, but he's not a whole tier ahead of LeBron like you make it seem.
LeBron and Kobe played in an era with a lot more great offensive wings too. Jordan guard guys like prime T-Mac, Durant, Kobe, Melo, Arenas, Rose, Pierce like I've seen LeBron cover in the 00's and 10's?
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Yes they could, maybe no one would say that they are some of the greatest on-ball defenders of all time, but they are and were certainly great on-ball defenders in their prime.
In Jordan's prime Pippen took the other team's #1 option more times than not. Neither Lebron nor Kobe had that luxury on a consistent basis. Lebron has to consistently take the other team's #1 option many times regardless of position, guarding star players from 1-5 in important situations. I'm not saying he's definitely a better defender than Jordan was, but don't act like he's not a great on-ball defender and not in the same class as Jordan just because he has his some slip ups here and there.
Also I do know this thread isn't about their defense, it's just good to see more stats supporting Lebron's claim to the GOAT title. He might never get there, but it's time this blind and unflinching love affair with Jordan dies down a little.
His team was a contender without him during those "retirement" years. Scottie won All Star MVP, was the leading vote getter for 1st team all NBA and 1st team all-defense (which is almost a nod for MVP in and of itself), and finished 3rd in MVP, with even Phil Jackson and other media members saying he should've won it.
Obviously this is a "what if" scenario, but I truly believe a combo of Pippen and Hakeem would've been the dominant team in the NBA, regardless of who Jordan would've added to his team. Just showing that Jordan was an incredible player leading up a great all around team, everything came together just perfect for him to do what he did, he couldn't have willed any team to victory he just inherited the perfect team for him and them to succeed. Same way Steph inherited the perfect team for him to succeed, but he's not as dominant or complete a player as Jordan, and they just so happened to run into the player that can somewhat make that claim in Lebron.
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He is.... He missed 4 consecutive shots in Game 7 that would've given his team the lead/win.i thought he was a mental midget that chokes
N*ggas are so delusional that they don't think dudes can believe Jordan is better than lebron
