LeBron James Injury : Lakers suffer devastating blow with major update (Unsubstantiated By US Media)

[ISO]

Lebron missed the playoffs his first two years. Kyrie his first three.. Big whoop

Kevin Love is a great third player to have on your team. He cant be your first or second best player. But even with that said, he's a HOF no doubt...



No my logic doesnt say role players with rings get compared to players that led their teams to rings.

I dont know why Lebron is called the goat. He has a losing record in the finals. He had an embarrassing finals against the Mavs where he was letting JJ Barea and Jason Terry do him in and actually defend him. He hasnt accomplished all that MJ has.The only thing he is definitively better at MJ at is three point shooting and even that is a question mark. No DPOY. No or 1 scoring title. I mean I just dont see it. And thats just Jordan. We can throw Bird and Magic up there too.



Again, only the 07 Cavs had "no business" being there. And in the East, thats a toss up anyways. Besides that team, it was not a surprise that Bron was in the finals in any other year. Its revisionist history to say otherwise. I'll give you last year, but even with that, when they made that midseason trade and got Hood and Hill, people were on the up and up about that trade. Only when he loses does it become "oh he doesnt have help"...

Demanding the ball has nothing to do with refusing to play in an offense with structure in it. Or refusing to let your PG (Kyrie)be the main PG.

Stfu moron almost everything you’ve said is easily debunked

 

[NYC Rebel]

You still havent explained how every other player in the GOAT talks (Jordan, Russell, Wilt, Shaq, Kobe, Magic, Jordan etc..) retired with a winning finals record while Lebron has not. Again, are you saying that he and only he is the ONLY one that faced better teams most of the time?

And to reiterate, why people consider Duncan better than Malone is because of the success Duncan helped his team achieve. If its not that, then what is it? So we dont confuse eras, lets say KG. At their peak they are the same player. So what is it exactly that has most people saying Duncan is the best PF of all time and not KG if not for the rings he won? You wont answer because it proves my point

Wilt did not have a winning Finals record. And all of those players mentioned had HOF coaches. Every single one of them.

 

[Everythingg]

Stfu moron almost everything you’ve said is easily debunked

I cant respect a grown man that calls himself a fan of another grown man

 

[Everythingg]

Wilt did not have a winning Finals record. And all of those players mentioned had HOF coaches. Every single one of them.

Yea wasnt sure about that one. But then again, that was the knock on Wilt. That he was a great individual talent, but he was not THE winning type of player that Russell was. The difference is that Wilt was often going up against the Celtics who almost had a monopoly on talent. Very different from Lebron who since 2011, has chosen who he plays with.

And I'll even give you the coach thing. But in Miami he had a coach that had won a championship already and he tried to get him fired. Only problem was that Riley wasnt going for it. But that right there was Bron at his best. Within an offense that had structure that allowed him to do his thing when called for, but also put him off ball. He was a point forward's version of Karl Malone

 

[tjax03]

hahahaha


and yall thought the Lakers was making the playoffs

these fools headed for a lotto pick

 

[NYC Rebel]

Yea wasnt sure about that one. But then again, that was the knock on Wilt. That he was a great individual talent, but he was not THE winning type of player that Russell was. The difference is that Wilt was often going up against the Celtics who almost had a monopoly on talent. Very different from Lebron who since 2011, has chosen who he plays with.

And I'll even give you the coach thing. But in Miami he had a coach that had won a championship already and he tried to get him fired. Only problem was that Riley wasnt going for it. But that right there was Bron at his best. Within an offense that had structure that allowed him to do his thing when called for, but also put him off ball. He was a point forward's version of Karl Malone

Wilt was called the GOAT of his time regardless of a lack of rings. This ring debate make you the GOAT by default is new age bullshyt

 

[McPiff]

Thats fine to say they were outmatched because of injuries. Im just making the point that Lebron has had adequate help since going to Miami. The narrative that he never has help is only one created so that he can catch Jordan. Which by achievements and rings, he'll never do.. He's done winning MVP's and quite possibly rings. He wont get a DPOY, scoring title, or steals league leader.

The only argument the groupies will have is "he took bad teamz to duh championship!!! "

That or "Check his stats" since his longevity may pass almost everyone elses. But awards and rings? Nope. Thats with him even picking his teams while others were practically forced to be with whoever they were drafted/traded to..







Thats what stans do. Ignore the things that make their gods look bad

Dude you're out here rehashing skip bayless bullet points like any basic simpleton would do.
There's no point in having a back and forth with you.

 

[Teko]

Well yes you might be because you're obviously missing the point. The point being that he had adequate enough help to have the better team on paper. What differentiates them from GS is IQ and the fact that GS runs an actual system and doesnt throw it into one man's hands every play and tell him to score or drive and kick



BS. Every year in Miami he had the better team than the team he was facing in the finals. And I mean better team barring any injuries. Someone else said it in here but Lebron, Kyrie, KLove >>> Curry, Klay, Draymond. The rest (JR Smith, Shump, Tristan, Delladova vs. Livingston, Bogut, Iggy etc...) are comparable...The difference between the teams is GS has high IQ and an actual system to run.. And their best player can play with or without the ball and willingly does both.. Lebron doesnt want to play off ball..



Theres a difference between building around a star like the Bulls did Jordan. And building a team around a star like AI. Can you tell me the difference?

Under what rock were you living under to spew bullshyt like this? You dont know what you are talking about. The only time that a Lebron team was favoured was against Dallas. The rest they were underdogs. btw, Iggy and Livingston are starters on any other team

OPENING SERIES PRICES OF THE NBA FINALS SINCE 2004
Year West West Line East East Line
2017 Golden State -2000 Cleveland +1000
2016 Golden State -200 Cleveland +162
2015 Golden State -190 Cleveland +170
2014 San Antonio -125 Miami +105
2013 San Antonio +200 Miami -240
2012 Oklahoma City -160 Miami +140
2011 Dallas +160 Miami -180
2010 LA Lakers -180 Boston +160
2009 LA Lakers -290 Orlando +240
2008 LA Lakers -120 Boston +100
2007 San Antonio -500 Cleveland +350
2006 Dallas -145 Miami +125
2005 San Antonio -180 Detroit +160
2004 LA Lakers -550 Detroit +400
NBA Finals Historical Series Odds List

 

[Everythingg]

Dude you're out here rehashing skip bayless bullet points like any basic simpleton would do.
There's no point in having a back and forth with you.

Good. I like to discuss with people who leave out their emotions when discussing. If I forget your name, next time just tell me you evaluate things thru your emotions and fanboyism. It will save us alot of time

 

[10bandz]

Under what rock were you living under to spew bullshyt like this? You dont know what you are talking about. The only time that a Lebron team was favoured was against Dallas. The rest they were underdogs. btw, Iggy and Livingston are starters on any other team

OPENING SERIES PRICES OF THE NBA FINALS SINCE 2004
Year West West Line East East Line
2017 Golden State -2000 Cleveland +1000
2016 Golden State -200 Cleveland +162
2015 Golden State -190 Cleveland +170
2014 San Antonio -125 Miami +105
2013 San Antonio +200 Miami -240
2012 Oklahoma City -160 Miami +140
2011 Dallas +160 Miami -180
2010 LA Lakers -180 Boston +160
2009 LA Lakers -290 Orlando +240
2008 LA Lakers -120 Boston +100
2007 San Antonio -500 Cleveland +350
2006 Dallas -145 Miami +125
2005 San Antonio -180 Detroit +160
2004 LA Lakers -550 Detroit +400
NBA Finals Historical Series Odds List

What about the 2009 and 2010 playoffs when the Cavs were favorites against Orlando and Boston and lost? In particular when Boston was +400 and had one of the biggest upsets in playoff history against Bron's Cavs. But according to yall Orlando and Boston had better teams right....

Also from what you posted, Miami was favored in 2013.

 

[ShoryukenHaduken]

This thread changed fast... From neg train to standard Bron thread

 

[DikDrizzle]

What about the 2009 and 2010 playoffs when the Cavs were favorites against Orlando and Boston and lost? In particular when Boston was +400 and had one of the biggest upsets in playoff history against Bron's Cavs. But according to yall Orlando and Boston had better teams right....

Also from what you posted, Miami was favored in 2013.

More proof LeFLab 9 strait EC titles is a sham

 

[DikDrizzle]

Gnna be a glorious day when either LA misses the P.o. or is bounced in the 1st rd.

From 9 strait scam ec titles to miss in the po/1st rd exit..

 

[Everythingg]

Under what rock were you living under to spew bullshyt like this? You dont know what you are talking about. The only time that a Lebron team was favoured was against Dallas. The rest they were underdogs. btw, Iggy and Livingston are starters on any other team

OPENING SERIES PRICES OF THE NBA FINALS SINCE 2004
Year West West Line East East Line
2017 Golden State -2000 Cleveland +1000
2016 Golden State -200 Cleveland +162
2015 Golden State -190 Cleveland +170
2014 San Antonio -125 Miami +105
2013 San Antonio +200 Miami -240
2012 Oklahoma City -160 Miami +140
2011 Dallas +160 Miami -180
2010 LA Lakers -180 Boston +160
2009 LA Lakers -290 Orlando +240
2008 LA Lakers -120 Boston +100
2007 San Antonio -500 Cleveland +350
2006 Dallas -145 Miami +125
2005 San Antonio -180 Detroit +160
2004 LA Lakers -550 Detroit +400
NBA Finals Historical Series Odds List

2004 is a perfect example of what I said. The Lakers were the better team on paper. But in all actuality because of their high IQ and great chemistry, the Pistons were better. The Cavs top 3 is better than GS’s top 3 before Durant came. The only difference is GS has higher IQ, better chemistry, and a structured offense.

 

[NYChase718]

Lebron injured running away from his team