LeBron James Injury : Lakers suffer devastating blow with major update (Unsubstantiated By US Media)

[Teko]

Well Jae Crowder wasnt playing well in Cleveland, went to Utah, and balled out last year.
Derrick Rose wasnt playing well in Cleveland, went to Minny, and is balling out
Dwayne Wade wasnt playing well in Cleveland, went to Miami, and single handedly won them a playoff game.

Its alot easier to play well when you dont get pushed out of rhythm by a player who wants to pound the ball for 20 seconds before passing or scoring....

Fail. Stop trying too hard with your hate. Take a deep breath and see a psychiatrist or something for your mental issues.

 

[Everythingg]

As stated already your point goes in LeBron's favor because he single handily brings mediocre teams to the finals YOU ARE IGNORING THAT which is why some feel he is the greatest

The ONLY mediocre team he played on was 07 cavs. Every other team he had 2 hall of famers/allstars right alongside him that Lebron groupies want to diminish to make Bron look better

2ndly you think LeBron is the only player with a losing record in the finals

No. He is the only player that has backers that call them the GOAT that has a losing record. No one calls the players you named the greatest of all time...

Unless you think his team could have kept it close without him?

Of course not. Because Bron teams dont run a real offense. Its like the 01 sixers. Take AI off the team and they're not a playoff team. Why? Because the team is SOLELY vbuilt around one player and not a system that can insert players into roles within the system. Thats higher level understanding of ball. Lebron groupies can only understand watch Bron dribble for 20 seconds before barrelling in the lane or passing out for a three...

 

[Everythingg]

Fail. Stop trying too hard with your hate. Take a deep breath and see a psychiatrist or something for your mental issues.

Nah low level nikkas like you are the ones that need help. The fact that you think I "hate" Lebron because I dont like his approach to the game shows that you take sports way to serious. Thats what most low level nikkas do though so carry on

 

[Everythingg]

so '15 cavs without kyrie and love was better than the warriors?

Aight gotcha.

Obviously Im talking healthy teams on paper...

This bron ball shyt being thrown without context is stupid as hell but


The cavs fell off because the team wasnt that good in the first place. Bron ball or not.

Theres nothing stupid about it. Bron is a Ray Allen shot/Tim Duncan in the game to potentially rebound or Draymond suspension away from only having 1 ring. Once he plays high IQ teams that Bron ball doesnt work as much... Which is exactly why he has a losing record in the finals

Cavs were full of one dimensional players that they got to fit around Bron. So of course when Bron leaves they'll fall off. Thats why Magic surrounded him with multi dimensional players. Because they were trying to set up an offense and a team that didnt revolve around Bron holding the ball every play... So much for that though

 

[HabitualChiller]

Besides the 07 spurs and the warriors after Durant, LeBron had the better team on paper every year. The only difference being the team he was going up against having a real offensive system while LeBrons teams only played Bron ball. That’s why the Cavs fell apart after he left. Because the team was solely built to fit around LeBron and his style of play

First, now maybe I'm blind, but since when in the fukk have games been played on paper?

Second, that's literally a bald-faced fukking lie. LeBron was on the better team in 2011 and 2012 and that's literally it. You're over here revising history in order to suit your argument.

Lastly, the rest of your post is such bullshyt. The Cavs fell apart because they were trash and had Mo Williams as their best player.

Soooooo, you're blaming The Cavs for building around their best player? What organization hasn't built around their star?

 

[NYC Rebel]

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He has a losing record in the finals tho? How is he the only one that has a losing record that is in the GOAT talks?

his TEAMS do. Its not a one on one match.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Well Jae Crowder wasnt playing well in Cleveland, went to Utah, and balled out last year.
Derrick Rose wasnt playing well in Cleveland, went to Minny, and is balling out
Dwayne Wade wasnt playing well in Cleveland, went to Miami, and single handedly won them a playoff game.

Its alot easier to play well when you dont get pushed out of rhythm by a player who wants to pound the ball for 20 seconds before passing or scoring....

And none of those players joined teams who sse a Finals.

Its soooooooo criminal that TEAMS Bron played on fell short.

This is why NBA sports talks will always be second rate. Much of it is fueled by stupidity

 

[PS5 Pro]

The ONLY mediocre team he played on was 07 cavs. Every other team he had 2 hall of famers/allstars right alongside him that Lebron groupies want to diminish to make Bron look better

I hear that said on the internet alot, maybe even on ESPN. But what about in reality? Who are these two hall of famed players on last year's squad?
Kyrie never made the playoffs, Then LeBron came. The Celtics seem to be better without Kyrie

Kevin love also never sniffed playoffs till he got with Bron, now he's back to what he's used to without Bron. I'm sure when he comes back from injury he'll have the Cavs in playoff contention

So who are these hof people you talking about...

No. He is the only player that has backers that call them the GOAT that has a losing record. No one calls the players you named the greatest of all time...

He's not called goat because of championships, if that is the case you yourself would have mentioned Bill Russel but you won't do that, Robert Horry is better than Jordan with your logic
You see the losses, what you're not seeing is the fact he made it with questionable teams on more than just 2 occasions because of HIS GREATNESS. You are attempting to penalize him for reaching the finals with teams that had no business being in the finals. The flaw in your logic is this.. Lets say he doesn't make the finals for 4yrs (all years he lost) you then would call him possible goat for achieving less? That's what your logic is doing in this equation and that's where

Of course not. Because Bron teams dont run a real offense. Its like the 01 sixers. Take AI off the team and they're not a playoff team. Why? Because the team is SOLELY vbuilt around one player and not a system that can insert players into roles within the system. Thats higher level understanding of ball. Lebron groupies can only understand watch Bron dribble for 20 seconds before barrelling in the lane or passing out for a three...

Goat players demand the ball, can you name one that didn't?

 

[McPiff]

Obviously Im talking healthy teams on paper...

On paper breh? but what counts is what happens on the court. and in 2015 the cavs were outmatched which is just what i'm saying, nothing more, nothing less.

Theres nothing stupid about it. Bron is a Ray Allen shot/Tim Duncan in the game to potentially rebound or Draymond suspension away from

stopped right there

Have a nice evening, friend.

 

[Everythingg]

First, now maybe I'm blind,

Well yes you might be because you're obviously missing the point. The point being that he had adequate enough help to have the better team on paper. What differentiates them from GS is IQ and the fact that GS runs an actual system and doesnt throw it into one man's hands every play and tell him to score or drive and kick

Second, that's literally a bald-faced fukking lie. LeBron was on the better team in 2011 and 2012 and that's literally it. You're over here revising history in order to suit your argument.

BS. Every year in Miami he had the better team than the team he was facing in the finals. And I mean better team barring any injuries. Someone else said it in here but Lebron, Kyrie, KLove >>> Curry, Klay, Draymond. The rest (JR Smith, Shump, Tristan, Delladova vs. Livingston, Bogut, Iggy etc...) are comparable...The difference between the teams is GS has high IQ and an actual system to run.. And their best player can play with or without the ball and willingly does both.. Lebron doesnt want to play off ball..

Lastly, the rest of your post is such bullshyt. The Cavs fell apart because they were trash and had Mo Williams as their best player.

Soooooo, you're blaming The Cavs for building around their best player? What organization hasn't built around their star?

Theres a difference between building around a star like the Bulls did Jordan. And building a team around a star like AI. Can you tell me the difference?

 

[Everythingg]

His

his TEAMS do. Its not a one on one match.

You still havent explained how every other player in the GOAT talks (Jordan, Russell, Wilt, Shaq, Kobe, Magic, Jordan etc..) retired with a winning finals record while Lebron has not. Again, are you saying that he and only he is the ONLY one that faced better teams most of the time?

And to reiterate, why people consider Duncan better than Malone is because of the success Duncan helped his team achieve. If its not that, then what is it? So we dont confuse eras, lets say KG. At their peak they are the same player. So what is it exactly that has most people saying Duncan is the best PF of all time and not KG if not for the rings he won? You wont answer because it proves my point

 

[Everythingg]

And none of those players joined teams who sse a Finals.

Umm okay

Its soooooooo criminal that TEAMS Bron played on fell short.

This is why NBA sports talks will always be second rate. Much of it is fueled by stupidity

I dont think its criminal. I think its proof that he's not the greatest of all time. Especially because since he went to Miami, he has practically hand picked the players that played on his team. nikkas wanna talk down on JR, Shump, and Tristan, but Cleveland didnt want to pay them what they got. Bron practically forced their hand to do that. And I respect how he moves in that regard because he got his people paid. But you cant get your people paid, then turn around and allow the narrative to be told that you have no help...

 

[Admiral Ackbar]

this thread went from a neg train to a discussion on Wizards MJ's legacy

 

[Everythingg]

I hear that said on the internet alot, maybe even on ESPN. But what about in reality? Who are these two hall of famed players on last year's squad?
Kyrie never made the playoffs, Then LeBron came. The Celtics seem to be better without Kyrie

Kevin love also never sniffed playoffs till he got with Bron, now he's back to what he's used to without Bron. I'm sure when he comes back from injury he'll have the Cavs in playoff contention

Lebron missed the playoffs his first two years. Kyrie his first three.. Big whoop

Kevin Love is a great third player to have on your team. He cant be your first or second best player. But even with that said, he's a HOF no doubt...

He's not called goat because of championships, if that is the case you yourself would have mentioned Bill Russel but you won't do that, Robert Horry is better than Jordan with your logic

No my logic doesnt say role players with rings get compared to players that led their teams to rings.

I dont know why Lebron is called the goat. He has a losing record in the finals. He had an embarrassing finals against the Mavs where he was letting JJ Barea and Jason Terry do him in and actually defend him. He hasnt accomplished all that MJ has.The only thing he is definitively better at MJ at is three point shooting and even that is a question mark. No DPOY. No or 1 scoring title. I mean I just dont see it. And thats just Jordan. We can throw Bird and Magic up there too.

You see the losses, what you're not seeing is the fact he made it with questionable teams on more than just 2 occasions because of HIS GREATNESS. You are attempting to penalize him for reaching the finals with teams that had no business being in the finals. The flaw in your logic is this.. Lets say he doesn't make the finals for 4yrs (all years he lost) you then would call him possible goat for achieving less? That's what your logic is doing in this equation and that's where

Goat players demand the ball, can you name one that didn't?

Again, only the 07 Cavs had "no business" being there. And in the East, thats a toss up anyways. Besides that team, it was not a surprise that Bron was in the finals in any other year. Its revisionist history to say otherwise. I'll give you last year, but even with that, when they made that midseason trade and got Hood and Hill, people were on the up and up about that trade. Only when he loses does it become "oh he doesnt have help"...

Demanding the ball has nothing to do with refusing to play in an offense with structure in it. Or refusing to let your PG (Kyrie)be the main PG.

 

[Everythingg]

On paper breh? but what counts is what happens on the court. and in 2015 the cavs were outmatched which is just what i'm saying, nothing more, nothing less.

Thats fine to say they were outmatched because of injuries. Im just making the point that Lebron has had adequate help since going to Miami. The narrative that he never has help is only one created so that he can catch Jordan. Which by achievements and rings, he'll never do.. He's done winning MVP's and quite possibly rings. He wont get a DPOY, scoring title, or steals league leader.

The only argument the groupies will have is "he took bad teamz to duh championship!!! "

That or "Check his stats" since his longevity may pass almost everyone elses. But awards and rings? Nope. Thats with him even picking his teams while others were practically forced to be with whoever they were drafted/traded to..

stopped right there

Have a nice evening, friend.

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