"LeBron is the GOAT, Michael Jordan Was A Horrible Player" Scottie Pippen

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If MJ was in this era and pick and choose his teammates like Lebron, he'd be alright.
I say this all the time.

In this player empowerment era, that also includes picking who you get to play with.

If Bron played in the 90s, his teammates would be players like sadale treats and Chris Gapling
 

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Before we bash Scottie too much, let's remember how important he was to MJ and those Bulls teams.


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Batman definitely needed Robin in that instance.
You are absolutely right, but show me where MJ never gave props to Scottie. Even in the last Dance MJ gave him his props, despite disagreeing with him on choosing to sit out over his contract.

No one has denied Scottie's role, but he has posited he was just as or more important than MJ on the Bulls team. I can't rock with that argument.
 

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Such a stupid debate that's been bought up by pro Lebron fans such as Shannon and Nick Wright.

Jordan was gonna break through once the team around him got better and he matured to take a different coaching philosophy of getting his teammates involved


"Jordan was going to break through once the team got better" - um, yes, that's pretty much a truism for any superstar. :skip:




If MJ was in this era and pick and choose his teammates like Lebron, he'd be alright.

Ask the Wizards and the Bobcats how good MJ is at picking teams. :mjgrin:

This Bron hate narrative is one of the most common (especially among White people), but also one of the most bizarre. Why should Bron automatically be any better than any other GM? Every player has someone building their team for them, how does the fact that Bron have to do that job too give him any sort of advantage? Durant has been trying it and we've all seen how that worked out - outside of him joining a team that had already won without him, the squads he's built were actually worse than the squad he left.
 

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scotties skillsets are more common
. i can find that in multiple current number 2 options to fulfill his role on that team

defense , facilitator... scoring 18 points a game in the playoffs

michael is a 1:1

Who cares if a current #2 can do it? In the 1990s, Scottie was literally the ONLY forward in the NBA with that skillset. No one else was defending multiple positions at a GOAT level while also being an elite facilitator, a capable #1 option, and a floor spacer.

Scottie's skill set meant that MJ could lay back and be a secondary facilitator and #3 or #4 defender, rather than having to take the lead on both of those. It meant that the Bulls could put a pure shooter like Paxson or Armstrong or Kerr at the other guard spot, and it didn't hurt the offense cause Scottie was facilitating anyway. It meant that the Bulls could put a defense-focused player with size like Harper there too, and it still didn't hurt the team cause Scottie had the passing and scoring taken care of and was stretching the floor himself. It meant the Bulls could play a no-defense scorer like Kukoc at the other forward spot and Scottie would take care of forward defense, or a no-offense forward like Rodman there, cause Scottie had the offensive responsibilities handled.

Let's pretend that MJ got a different sidekick instead of Scottie. Who were the elite small forwards of the early 1990s not named Scottie Pippen? We're talking guys like Dominique Wilkins, Glen Rice, Chris Mullin, Jerome Kersey, Chuck Person.

Well, none of those guys can distribute. So now the Bulls have to get a pass-first point guard to put next to MJ. They can't just grab yet another #1/#2 option, they're gonna be stuck with some Bimbo Coles or John Bagley type, someone who can't space the floor and shoot the ball nearly as well as Paxson or Armstrong or Kerr. And now since MJ is next to both a SF and a PG who can't defend wings at an elite level, he's gonna be responsible for ALL the elite defense. Either he's gonna have to defend the other team's star all game, or they're gonna go off. And it was so disruptive to other offenses when they had Pippen and MJ causing problems simultaneously, but now it's just MJ by himself and he's gonna be tired too.

That's the difference Pippen makes. He increased the roster versatility, he improved the spacing, he vastly increased the defense, and he kept MJ fresh on both ends to focus on scoring, all while being just as good a scorer himself as nearly all the other elite SFs of his day.
 

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If I’m 20 Years Old And The Best Player On A Horrible Team I’m Jacking Up Shots Too lol

“When He Was On A Bad Team He Was Losing, Then All Of A Sudden He’s On A Good Team And He’s Winning”

Sound Like A Coli Breh Common Sense Ass Statement lol
 

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Not even less than a minute later, another ex-Chicago Bull, Stacey, King, asked Pippen who would win a game between the 72-10 Chicago Bulls and 73-9 Golden State Warriors. Pippen didn't waste a second.

"C'mon, man. We're the greatest team ever. Had MJ not left, we probably could've won 2-3 more titles," Pippen said.

:wow:
 

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Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs without him. I guess he was just playing for stats :skip:
Pippen's 10 & 13 ppg in the playoffs his first two years really took the Bulls to another level...

But this is a sad sight to see. I picture this man getting blasted regularly downing vodka like sweet tea like that nikka from City High who couldn't get over Claudette curving him for the other City High nikka, and got interventioned by his fam:mjcry:

 
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To be fair to Scottie I’m curious what question was asked and what his full answer was

One thing he seemed to say that I agree with is that there’s no greatest player ever because it’s a team game

8 months ago Pippen HIMSELF said he wants his own legacy to be that of “The Greatest Player Of All Time”



So is it Big Pimpin or Me And My Girlfriend?


We all know what this is about. Scottie’s ego won’t allow him to ever admit it but he’s been in Jordan’s shadow his ENTIRE adult life and now Jordan is sanctioning Pippen’s further humiliation by allowing his own child to turn the man’s ex wife every which way BUT loose. It cannot go understated how fundamentally evil that is.

Michael Jordan is more than likely a horrible human being, greatest player of all time certainly, but beyond sports integrity there doesn’t seem to be much honor to him. Scottie has a right to be angry, and perhaps a little resentful, but what he himself fails to understand is that he’ll NEVER change the course of public discourse, no matter what he says. Michael paid all costs to the be the boss when it comes to Jersey number 23 and his status will NEVER be jeopardized. Scottie is better off not even speaking on Jordan if he wanted to be known as his own man. Constantly comparing Michael and Lebron just comes off like hating and the Jordan machine is going to make SURE it comes off that way.
 

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Who cares if a current #2 can do it? In the 1990s, Scottie was literally the ONLY forward in the NBA with that skillset. No one else was defending multiple positions at a GOAT level while also being an elite facilitator, a capable #1 option, and a floor spacer.

Scottie's skill set meant that MJ could lay back and be a secondary facilitator and #3 or #4 defender, rather than having to take the lead on both of those. It meant that the Bulls could put a pure shooter like Paxson or Armstrong or Kerr at the other guard spot, and it didn't hurt the offense cause Scottie was facilitating anyway. It meant that the Bulls could put a defense-focused player with size like Harper there too, and it still didn't hurt the team cause Scottie had the passing and scoring taken care of and was stretching the floor himself. It meant the Bulls could play a no-defense scorer like Kukoc at the other forward spot and Scottie would take care of forward defense, or a no-offense forward like Rodman there, cause Scottie had the offensive responsibilities handled.

Let's pretend that MJ got a different sidekick instead of Scottie. Who were the elite small forwards of the early 1990s not named Scottie Pippen? We're talking guys like Dominique Wilkins, Glen Rice, Chris Mullin, Jerome Kersey, Chuck Person.

Well, none of those guys can distribute. So now the Bulls have to get a pass-first point guard to put next to MJ. They can't just grab yet another #1/#2 option, they're gonna be stuck with some Bimbo Coles or John Bagley type, someone who can't space the floor and shoot the ball nearly as well as Paxson or Armstrong or Kerr. And now since MJ is next to both a SF and a PG who can't defend wings at an elite level, he's gonna be responsible for ALL the elite defense. Either he's gonna have to defend the other team's star all game, or they're gonna go off. And it was so disruptive to other offenses when they had Pippen and MJ causing problems simultaneously, but now it's just MJ by himself and he's gonna be tired too.

That's the difference Pippen makes. He increased the roster versatility, he improved the spacing, he vastly increased the defense, and he kept MJ fresh on both ends to focus on scoring, all while being just as good a scorer himself as nearly all the other elite SFs of his day.
:mjlol: Look at this guy
 
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