LeBron has a higher 3 point percentage than Kobe, but i dont feel like that makes him a better shoot

[McPiff]

Y’all have very short memories

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Why are y’all acting like we’re making this up?

Lebron has definitely improved as a jump shooter and he was a pure shooter this playoffs, but to act like teams have never dared him to shoot is just a flat out lie

“Still, by daring LeBron to settle for jumpers, San Antonio came as close as possible to neutralizing James and stealing the series. If it wasn’t for Ray Allen’s miracle game-tying three at the end of Game 6—a shot that came off a LeBron miss and Chris Bosh offensive rebound—the title was San Antonio’s. After the series was over, James all but admitted that the Spurs’ strategy was getting to him, and he had to give himself a pep talk to fight through his struggles.”

nobody said it never happened, just that it is something of the past so using that as a mere point in that debate without bringing up the context is just dumb.

And the only reason why they dared him to shoot was to throw him off his game and they used a great defensive scheme (as the mavs did in 2011) against him.
he deaded that shyt in game 7 tho.

 

[Gravity]

Bruh if an nba player was to read the coli they would think half of these dudes have learning disabilities

I saw dudes on here argue that Steph Curry wasn’t the best 3 point shooter in the league 2 seasons ago because his 3 point percentage wasn’t top 10. Some of these dudes had to be on the short bus.

That’s not the same thing because even tho steph wasn’t too 10 in 3point% he led the league in the 3point attempts and makes with his percentage still being elite. So even judging by the stats steph was the best 3point shooter in the league. Whoever you were supposedly arguing with was using the stats out of context.

The stats aren’t out of context here. It’s not like Kobe took a lot more 3s than lebron which could explain away the discrepancy in percentages. Not only is lebron’s percentage better, he basically takes the same amount of 3s as Kobe. Invalid analogy.

 

[Houston911]

That’s not the same thing because even tho steph wasn’t too 10 in 3point% he led the league in the 3point attempts and makes with his percentage still being elite. So even judging by the stats steph was the best 3point shooter in the league. Whoever you were supposedly arguing with was using the stats out of context.

The stats aren’t out of context here. It’s not like Kobe took a lot more 3s than lebron which could explain away the discrepancy in percentages. Not only is lebron’s percentage better, he basically takes the same amount of 3s as Kobe. Invalid analogy.

I was never arguing about kobe vs Lebron 3 point shooting

I posted LeBron stats because ol boy said “very few of Lebron threes are open” which is just wrong

 

[Houston911]

nobody said it never happened, just that it is something of the past so using that as a mere point in that debate without bringing up the context is just dumb.

And the only reason why they dared him to shoot was to throw him off his game and they used a great defensive scheme (as the mavs did in 2011) against him.
he deaded that shyt in game 7 tho.

The past? Lebron hasn’t been considered a dangerous shooter for he majority of his career

No one who has ever stepped on a court would say he’s a better jump shooter than kobe

 

[Teko]

Its so crazy, there isnt a single individual number that you can point to, to say Kobe is better. Only thing is championships but Shaq has 3 of the Finals MVPs from that so you must be mental to still be making that argument. Its long being dead. From clutch shots to Finals MVP to PER to win shares. literally everything!

 

[High quality poster]

Also two very important things that’s bring overlooked is....

1. Kobes three point percentage as a starter should be what we’re really comparing to Lebrons.

2. Kobes % dipped heavily post Achilles injury.

Just compare the twos numbers through the first 15 years in the league as a starter so for kobe it would (99-13)

 

[High quality poster]

Its so crazy, there isnt a single individual number that you can point to, to say Kobe is better. Only thing is championships but Shaq has 3 of the Finals MVPs from that so you must be mental to still be making that argument. Its long being dead. From clutch shots to Finals MVP to PER to win shares. literally everything!

You can’t do this tho. You can’t discredit him for those three rings and also say his numbers aren’t as good as Lebron. Playing with Shaq is the reason his early numbers took a hit.

Kobe achieved more individuall success post Shaq along with winning 2 rings.

 

[Guile]

I wouldn't say better shooter. LeBron is just much more efficient. LeBron does not take tough shots unless he's in a groove while Kobe made a career of taking tough 2 pointers.

 

[ELESDEE616]

Its so crazy, there isnt a single individual number that you can point to, to say Kobe is better. Only thing is championships but Shaq has 3 of the Finals MVPs from that so you must be mental to still be making that argument. Its long being dead. From clutch shots to Finals MVP to PER to win shares. literally everything!

Exactly. Not only that he was a fukking role player for one of em 2000(16ppg)

 

[Ben.]

Your thread title says it all. You’re judging the comparison with your heart based on what makes you feel better. A lot of people are like this, it’s called alternative facts.

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[Gravity]

I was never arguing about kobe vs Lebron 3 point shooting

I posted LeBron stats because ol boy said “very few of Lebron threes are open” which is just wrong

So you concede that lebron is the better 3point shooter despite false perception?

TheColi.com

It’s not just the Coli tho fam. “Alternative facts” is an American society thing. This is why you transgenderism is taken seriously. There is no set “truth” because people can create their own reality/bubble to live in.

 

[Houston911]

Also two very important things that’s bring overlooked is....

1. Kobes three point percentage as a starter should be what we’re really comparing to Lebrons.

2. Kobes % dipped heavily post Achilles injury.

Just compare the twos numbers through the first 15 years in the league as a starter so for kobe it would (99-13)

You still need to use some context

Kobe post Achilles/post fukked up fingers still took much less open 3s than Lebron

In 2014-15, 7.5 percent of Kobe’s 3s were wide open, 45 percent were open

In 2015-2016 , 20 percent of Kobe’s 3s were wide open, 59 percent were open

Compare that to the percentages I just gave for Lebron

Last year 35 percent of LeBron's 3s were wide open, and 86 percent were open

In 2016-2017 43 percent of his 3s were wide open, and 87 percent were open

In 2015-2016 33 percent of his 3s were wide open and 83 percent were open

 

[10bandz]

So is Bron a better shooter than MJ too? Phil Jackson already been said Kobe was a better shooter than MJ....

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Also two very important things that’s bring overlooked is....

1. Kobes three point percentage as a starter should be what we’re really comparing to Lebrons.

2. Kobes % dipped heavily post Achilles injury.

Just compare the twos numbers through the first 15 years in the league as a starter so for kobe it would (99-13)

As a starter? You are aware that Kobe as a bench player was BETTER on threes (37% and 34%) then Kobe as a starter, right? Take those two years out and he falls slightly further to 32.8%.

You don't like his numbers post-achilles? Okay, we'll take those out too...only lifts him to 33.4%. Still nowhere near LeBron.

You can’t do this tho. You can’t discredit him for those three rings and also say his numbers aren’t as good as Lebron. Playing with Shaq is the reason his early numbers took a hit.

Kobe achieved more individuall success post Shaq along with winning 2 rings.

Playing with Shaq is what got Kobe wide-open shots for much of his first 7 seasons. The Spurs' and Pistons' strategy was literally, "Keep Kobe in single coverage and keep letting him shoot so that he breaks the offense and doesn't feed Shaq the ball." Kobe would have had a much slower start to his three-point shooting and shot a much lower % in his early years (just like LeBron did) if Shaq hadn't taken so much pressure off him.

You still need to use some context

Kobe post Achilles/post fukked up fingers still took much less open 3s than Lebron

In 2014-15, 7.5 percent of Kobe’s 3s were wide open, 45 percent were open

In 2015-2016 , 20 percent of Kobe’s 3s were wide open, 59 percent were open

Compare that to the percentages I just gave for Lebron

Last year 35 percent of LeBron's 3s were wide open, and 86 percent were open

In 2016-2017 43 percent of his 3s were wide open, and 87 percent were open

In 2015-2016 33 percent of his 3s were wide open and 83 percent were open

How do you think that helps Kobe's case? As someone already pointed out, LeBron created the majority of his threes while Kobe was assisted for the majority of his. Players guard up on Kobe because they know he'll shoot anyway, whereas LeBron tends to get himself into a position where he has the best shot rather than throwing up trash. That is a GOOD characteristic of a basketball player, not a bad one.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Bron is not a better all-around shooter. People have posted percentages from 12-15, 15-18 etc

Also Kobe’s relatively low percentages have to do with shot selection