When I say 30+, I mean 30 and up.
Lebron doesn't have the tools to have 5 60 point games
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When I say 30+, I mean 30 and up.
Broke Wave
The GOAT
Of course he would right now... wade is fukking finished. But the last 2 years Wade has been averaging at least 23-24 on high efficiency, playing great D, passing and can go off for a big game on every given night
And bosh has been doing the same except less points around 18 but 10 + boards, even better defense, and still liable to go off..
if shaq had a bad game it was over... and why didn't shaq in his prime go to the finals by himself
So now numbers matter with the first bolded part
Shouldnt that make it more amazing that his career ppg is as high as it is?
Lebron is a great scorer but we're talking about Kobe Bryant... arguably the greatest scorer ever. When you think about Kobe you think about 2012 Kobe who's 34 years old but I need you to go back and think about the dude with the afro as well...
JillScottsHunny
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You Kobe Stans are ridiculous.
Of course he would right now... wade is fukking finished. But the last 2 years Wade has been averaging at least 23-24 on high efficiency, playing great D, passing and can go off for a big game on every given night
And bosh has been doing the same except less points around 18 but 10 + boards, even better defense, and still liable to go off..
if shaq had a bad game it was over... and why didn't shaq in his prime go to the finals by himself
Riley would trade any version of Bosh and Wade for a prime Shaq, he traded Odom and Butler for an aging Shaq. Riley loves, craves and desires large black men that play center, that is his M.O. A 27 year old Shaq on the trade table and there's no gurantee that he doesn't offer LeBron for him
Shaq in his prime was more valuable than an all-star guard and all-star PF.
Fro Kobe wasn't that great of a scorer. Now on defense, sheeit. He was great.
Riley would trade any version of Bosh and Wade for a prime Shaq, he traded Odom and Butler for an aging Shaq. Riley loves, craves and desires large black men that play center, that is his M.O. A 27 year old Shaq on the trade table and there's no gurantee that he doesn't offer LeBron for him
Shaq in his prime was more valuable than an all-star guard and all-star PF.
Without a doubt. I'd trade prime Shaq for anyone to start a team save Wilt or Kareem.
29ppg on 46% shooting 85% from the FT line
Not to mention that went UP in the playoffs
29ppg on 46% shooting 85% from the FT line
Not to mention that went UP in the playoffs
Compared to what he did in '03, '06, '07, nah. But its whatever, this thread ain't about Bean.
This is a straight up lie. I'm not 1 player who wast as fortunate as Kobe, Michael Jordan. No point in trying to challenge me if you're going to lie and be disingenuous.
My argument for saying that Kobe is overrated is based on nothing but facts and an honest assessment of watching him play throughout his career. Overrated how? Kobe is overrated defensively and offensively as an individual player. A lot of people either ignore or downplay his flaws as a player. People use the success that his teams have had to try a paint him as a better player than he actually is. That is how he is overrated. Has Kobe deserved all of those all defensive team nods? No. Is Kobe as good in the clutch as the hype says that he is? No. The best Laker ever? No. He's just not as good as the hype my man, he's overrated. I'm not even going to respond to that fanboy Bs rhetoric of yours. You people always dis Kobe's teammates in an effort to make him look better. Its pathetic. I honestly think that a lot of you Kobe fanboys are homsexual.
Lebron is a more well rounded scorer because he scores in more ways. As of right now, I don't think that Kobe is a better post player and it's a fact that he's not a better 3 point shooter. Scoring is about a lot more than that though. Lebron is a better driver, he's better at running the floor, he's better at crashing the boards, he's better at running the floor, and he's better at moving without the ball. That's how he's a more well rounded, more efficient, and an overall better scorer.
Cynical Thoughts
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Are you try'na dismiss the fact Kobe came off the bench is cause he was playing behind Eddie jones? And the only reason bron started was cause he went to a crappy team?
Could it have been bron was better out of high school than Kobe was?
I think people are getting mixed up in semantics in this thread.
You typed all of this but didn't say anything. We are talking in the present tense. You bringing up flaws that Lebron used to have means absolutely nothing. lebron is just now reaching prime, he's still getting better. Lebron is a more well rounded scorer than Kobe which is why he can score just as much more efficiently.
Really? Really? For most of his career, LeBron has had some pretty notorious flaws in his game that prevented people from putting him on a level with the greatest scorers and is why people consider Melo the better scorer despite LeBron averaging more points for most of his career.
- LeBron has always been a mediocre FT shooter
- He has been poor to average in his midrange game
- His post game really didn't develop until last season
- LeBron isn't a good long range shooter when his feet aren't planted
- Never really had the ability to create shots and convert consistently out on the perimeter ie keep him shooting jumpers and he won't punish you
Fortunately for LeBron, he has worked on a lot of those an is continuing to get better even though his stats might not reflect it.
Kobe and Jordan never had those types of cons in their primes. Anything that could be done to score a basketball, they could do. Inside, outside, midrange, post, wing, perimeter, you name it.
Also, to say Kobe always has to force things on offense and is a black hole sounds like a poor trolling effort to me. Does he shoot a lot? Yes. Does use a lot of possessions? Yes. But to say he's a black hole? Nah. Al Jefferson is a black hole. The Lakers' offense runs through Kobe now and has since '05. There are different ways to go about playing this game but the Lakers haven't achieved success throughout their history in spite of Kobe.
LeBron isn't better than Kobe off the ball. You'll see more of that when Nash comes back. Kobe is deadly with the pindowns, v-cuts, and coming off picks for jumpers.
As for everything else, Kobe is still better at creating shots, playing on various parts of the floor, shooting from various parts of the floor, and playing in the high post. The only real weaknesses for Kobe right now are physical. His hands are horrible due to injury, he's pretty slow all things considered, and he can't slash like he used to.
If you look at the shot charts, Kobe's shots have always been spread out from various places on the floor. LeBron scores inside and LeBron scores from 16+ with no inbetween. Don't see how he's more well rounded...
Kobe hate thread #8804 
Usually it goes like...
Kobe lovers: [insert something good about Kobe]
Kobe haters: Lebron averages more points, more assists and does it more efficiently
Kobe lovers: But Kobe has 5 rings
Kobe haters: Jordan has 6
Lebron got more MVPs 
Followed by a barrage of troll posts from @Bilz, @ThugLife, @Gravity & @Skippy Allah
Countered by points from @2Quik4UHoes, @CantStop, @houston911, @verbaltelekinesis, and @JoelB
That sounds about right
Usually it goes like...
Kobe lovers: [insert something good about Kobe]
Kobe haters: Lebron averages more points, more assists and does it more efficiently
Kobe lovers: But Kobe has 5 rings
Kobe haters: Jordan has 6
Lebron got more MVPs Followed by a barrage of troll posts from @Bilz, @ThugLife, @Gravity & @Skippy Allah
Countered by points from @2Quik4UHoes, @CantStop, @houston911, @verbaltelekinesis, and @JoelB
That sounds about right
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So MJ wasn't fortunate for having Pippen? My bad i forgot, tell me, what did he win before Pippen came along?
So Magic didn't come straight outta college and play with Kareem, who can have a legitimate argument as being the GOAT( although the GOAT is MJ)
You know who Shaq has played with?
Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Nash, Amare, Penny, .........
Don't even get me started on Bird's teams..
But let you tell it, Kobe's been the only person in history with great teammates, nevermind the fact that pretty much none won anything of significance until being paired with him. I gave you facts, yet u disputed none. I can sense the Kobe hate right through you lol.
If you say Kobe's overrated defensively NOW, then cool. I don't know any laker/kobe fans who say he's an all D team person at THIS stage of his career. But let you tell it, he didn't deserve any of his all D teams, nevermind the fact that he was playing lockdown D while scoring 60 on the other end in his prime.
Overrated offensively? True... 25 times scoring 50+ points is overrated. Scoring 81 points in a game is overrated. NBA record for most 3 pointers made in a game with 12 is overrated too though. 62 in 3 quarters in mad overrated as well. I guess everybody can do it now too.
Cool Kobe's overrated in the clutch. That's why when the games on the line every opposing coach is planning to stop Kobe or get the ball outta Kobe's hand.
Only thing i'll agree with is that lebron is a more efficient scorer.
But hey, let you tell it, winning 5 rings, 2 fmvps, mvp, and a shyt load of records are overrated.