Last 18/19 NY Knicks season transmission: "F*** all the haters from you to SAS" See y'all in '20

[ogc163]

These cats gotta be trolling with the Frank hot takes. I don't bother arguing with heads that want him gone anymore, but the random gassing of Mudiay is a hilarious turn of events fam. Here's where I think everyone can agree, DSJ can't come back soon enough.

It's the posters with the most horrible forecasting history that hate on Frank the most, this is their only get back after consistently being clowned for being wrong.

 

[Miles Davis]

I havent heard one person say that ever lmao
If frank was on another team, you wouldnt even blink an eye at him

You don’t have to outright say things in order for it to be known though. If you’d look back through a lot of posts you’d see the impression is people want him to be a high option, especially when he was drafted 8th.

 

[storyteller]

It’s just cause they want him to be a something he’s not. I never expected nor needed him to be our first through third option, but that’s what most seem to want. Plus they’re jsut too impatient and don’t see how this franchise hasn’t really given him a chance or invested in him. We need him to run an offense, stop popping PGs from wreaking havoc and making our front court get fouls they don’t need.

The organization doesn't seem to have much interest in developing him into a floor general. I think if you look at this past performance objectively though...he was at his best when he ran the offense. He got three dunk attempts for Mitch (2/3 on 'em because Mitch missed the no-look lob from the top of the key). He had 5 assists to no TO's in 25 minutes where he split the ball handling duties. It's really obvious what's holding him back right now and that's the jumper. Everything else is at least competent enough to mask or make up for with his strengths once the jumper improves.

I wouldn't give up on a 20 year old with Frank's defensive upside, just because his jumper hasn't come around yet. We've got him under team control, we're in youth mode and in an NBA that is heavily weighted toward the importance of team defense and switching; he's able to guard 1-4 on the switch while being one of the most promising young perimeter defenders in the league (and that's a consensus opinion, so miss me with the overrating him crap). If he grows into our best perimeter defender and someone who we're putting on the best opposing perimeter player on a nightly basis; then being the fourth or fifth option won't be a problem...but the jumper has to improve, even if he gets there and Fiz has to actually use Frank that way as well which he hasn't shown much interest in doing.

 

[seemorecizzy]

You don’t have to outright say things in order for it to be known though. If you’d look back through a lot of posts you’d see the impression is people want him to be a high option, especially when he was drafted 8th.

Okay
Well i personally dont ask him to do much
Just want him to stop playing scared

 

[seemorecizzy]

The organization doesn't seem to have much interest in developing him into a floor general. I think if you look at this past performance objectively though...he was at his best when he ran the offense. He got three dunk attempts for Mitch (2/3 on 'em because Mitch missed the no-look lob from the top of the key). He had 5 assists to no TO's in 25 minutes where he split the ball handling duties. It's really obvious what's holding him back right now and that's the jumper. Everything else is at least competent enough to mask or make up for with his strengths once the jumper improves.

I wouldn't give up on a 20 year old with Frank's defensive upside, just because his jumper hasn't come around yet. We've got him under team control, we're in youth mode and in an NBA that is heavily weighted toward the importance of team defense and switching; he's able to guard 1-4 on the switch while being one of the most promising young perimeter defenders in the league (and that's a consensus opinion, so miss me with the overrating him crap). If he grows into our best perimeter defender and someone who we're putting on the best opposing perimeter player on a nightly basis; then being the fourth or fifth option won't be a problem...but the jumper has to improve, even if he gets there and Fiz has to actually use Frank that way as well which he hasn't shown much interest in doing.

Frank has had his chances to be a floor general
Hes timid, doesnt break down an offense on a regular basis, and doesnt drive the lane. Hes also an average dribbler. He also cant score.

At some point, you gotta blame the kid and not the coaching staff. Mitch, trier, etc have all got the same opportunies as frank and have played well. Dotson has improved, knox has shown flashes, its just him.

Mudiay was out for the first part of the season, cant use him as a excuse. I blamed horn for playin him at 2 but now fitz doing the same thing. Todays point guards need to be assertive.

I dont think we should trade him unless its an anthony davis trade or something, because hes makin pennies and really isnt effectin us either way. But its funny as hell when you some of yall act like theres a personal agenda against the guy when there isnt lol

A whole bunch of yall were sayin frank is better den dennis smith just because of bias purposes but now dat hes on our team yall switched up quick lol

 

[knickscity]

Cats really thought they were gonna walk in with Sell the team t-shirts on?

 

[storyteller]

Frank has had his chances to be a floor general
Hes timid, doesnt break down an offense on a regular basis, and doesnt drive the lane. Hes also an average dribbler. He also cant score.

Frank has 8 starts as the sole PG in the line-up and that's about as much consistency there has been as sole ball handler. The starting line-up had a positive net rating during that span (again the only limited run where he was consistently the floor general). Other than that, he's always been paired with a second ball handler. You may say "that's because he NEEDS the second ball handler" and that might be true; but he was successful on his own for the limited span we saw it.

At some point, you gotta blame the kid and not the coaching staff. Mitch, trier, etc have all got the same opportunies as frank and have played well. Dotson has improved, knox has shown flashes, its just him.

Knox and Trier are as bad on defense as Frank is on offense. Flat out, yall don't value defense and offense equally which is why we never agree on this. Frank's defense has been more consistent than Knox on offense and just as consistent if not more consistent than Trier's scoring.

Mudiay was out for the first part of the season, cant use him as a excuse. I blamed horn for playin him at 2 but now fitz doing the same thing. Todays point guards need to be assertive.

No one is using Mudiay as an excuse. I don't even know where that non-sequitur came from. The statement here is that Frank has not gotten consistent burn as the sole PG in a unit regardless of Mudiay's presence. It's objectively what it is. Now you can say "that's just because..." but the point here is that Frank hasn't gotten the opportunity and you're basing your stance on assumptions that come from him playing a vast majority of the time with other ball dominant guards. This isn't even saying that he'll definitely develop into something, it's just saying we haven't seen it enough to make any declarations (and again, the one time we did, that unit was successful).

I dont think we should trade him unless its an anthony davis trade or something, because hes makin pennies and really isnt effectin us either way. But its funny as hell when you some of yall act like theres a personal agenda against the guy when there isnt lol

A whole bunch of yall were sayin frank is better den dennis smith just because of bias purposes but now dat hes on our team yall switched up quick lol

I still take Frank over Dennis Smith, but I don't have an agenda against Dennis Smith (and never did). So I actually compliment the kid because it's not a zero sum game. Our best case scenario is both those youngsters hit their upsides and I think they both can get there. But with realistic shots at Kyrie, Morant or Garland; I'd keep the kid with elite defensive upside over the kid with elite offensive upside.

 

[storyteller]

Cats really thought they were gonna walk in with Sell the team t-shirts on?

What's the story on that? I know it's Dolan, but I kinda feel his side of this one.

 

[knickscity]

What's the story on that? I know it's Dolan, but I kinda feel his side of this one.

Someone I know at the game called and told me about it, said they were handing them joints out across the street from the Garden.

 

[storyteller]

Almost forgot there was a noon game. Few minutes behind but this dude Jordan is keeping the Knicks afloat up to where I'm at. Mudiay and Hezonja are the targets for the Clippers offense, no shock.

 

[storyteller]

Someone I know at the game called and told me about it, said they were handing them joints out across the street from the Garden.

I feel like the Knicks finally have a real culture building and these dudes finally decide to protest team dysfunction ...it is a hilarious way to troll Dolan though

 

[knickscity]

I feel like the Knicks finally have a real culture building and these dudes finally decide to protest team dysfunction ...it is a hilarious way to troll Dolan though

Yeah, this is definitely the worst time to do this.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Frank has 8 starts as the sole PG in the line-up and that's about as much consistency there has been as sole ball handler. The starting line-up had a positive net rating during that span (again the only limited run where he was consistently the floor general). Other than that, he's always been paired with a second ball handler. You may say "that's because he NEEDS the second ball handler" and that might be true; but he was successful on his own for the limited span we saw it.



Knox and Trier are as bad on defense as Frank is on offense. Flat out, yall don't value defense and offense equally which is why we never agree on this. Frank's defense has been more consistent than Knox on offense and just as consistent if not more consistent than Trier's scoring.



No one is using Mudiay as an excuse. I don't even know where that non-sequitur came from. The statement here is that Frank has not gotten consistent burn as the sole PG in a unit regardless of Mudiay's presence. It's objectively what it is. Now you can say "that's just because..." but the point here is that Frank hasn't gotten the opportunity and you're basing your stance on assumptions that come from him playing a vast majority of the time with other ball dominant guards. This isn't even saying that he'll definitely develop into something, it's just saying we haven't seen it enough to make any declarations (and again, the one time we did, that unit was successful).



I still take Frank over Dennis Smith, but I don't have an agenda against Dennis Smith (and never did). So I actually compliment the kid because it's not a zero sum game. Our best case scenario is both those youngsters hit their upsides and I think they both can get there. But with realistic shots at Kyrie, Morant or Garland; I'd keep the kid with elite defensive upside over the kid with elite offensive upside.

Thats always gonna be the the disconnect
Defense doesnt matter in todays nba
Knox is a terrible defender but still won rookie of the month
Trier cant play defense for shyt and was awarded a new contract and is one of the surprise players of the season
Harden doesnt defend
Westbrook doesnt defend
Lebron james doesnt even defend


So having a player out there that plays above average defense in a game where we give up 125 points and lose by 15, doesnt mean much. Especily when hes providin pretty much nothing on the other end.

Theres players in the d league that can come to our team and strictly defend, thats not what we drafted frank to do.


And the reason hes only had 8 starts as the pg is for reasons i already stated.

 

[knickscity]

Theres players in the d league that can come to our team and strictly defend, thats not what we drafted frank to do.

Frank absolutely was drafted because of his defense. The hope is that he'd develop on the offensive end.

 

[storyteller]

Knox with all good looks and takes today but nothing going in. This dude Dot has REALLY grown, he's the feature man on offense as I'm watching.